Tuesday, October 29, 2013

Nuns Gone Wild- Fr. Z's Blog and Researching WHY?

OMG!OMG!OMG!   I wanted to be a Sister of Mercy for more than a decade( I was taking care of my elderly father first, though.) Thank You, Lord, that I never entered because, 'but for the grace of God, there go I'
  I wish that I could say that I would not have been like them...but , alas, I cannot say that because in all honesty, I probably would have. :'(
  I was so grateful to be included amongst their friends when I was out of high school and through college and they were soooo good to me after my mama died.
I remember when Teresa Kane, one of 'our' sisters, a Sister of Mercy,  gave that speech about women's ordination to the  pope, JPII . 'We' were all so angry at what we saw as his condescending attitude and disrespectful treatment of her. 
  And, led by their example , I learned a disrespect for the pope, though at the time I did not see it as disrespect. I thought that it was 'allowed'. I did not see myself as 'dissenting' from Catholic teaching. I did NOT have a clue about true Catholic teaching on the Pope, and frankly neither did these nuns that I hung around. Basically, the only thing that you had to believe the Pope on were the stated dogmas of theChurch and you were accountable to the precepts of the Church....after that it becomes  more of a function of individual conscience.
 Even if I had known the proper teaching, it would not have mattered, because that was BEFORE Vatican II . Vatican II had changed all of that... and not because the Church was bad or wrong before Vatican II . But because God is sooo good and leads His Church as he promised. That Church was the Church of a different time serving the needs of a different era. But now, through this great gift of God, The Catholic Church had evolved into a much freer, more beautiful, loving and enlightened Church to serve the needs of this age. As for sin...what was sin? it was a nebulous concept... there were rights and wrongs.... I do know that if it was 'love' , it was good, okay, God is love... (and that included sex of any kind if it was because of love.... and it gets confusing here and  also becomes more of a function of individual conscience) . This is my interpretation of how it was....there did not seem to be much  in the way of definitive dogma in my experience excepts basics...I would have been scandalized if someone had sad its ok not to think communion is the Body and Blood of Christ....but I also would have known that I had no right to judge, that was between them and God.... I don't know what I thought the Church was...but I did think that I wanted to be a nun and serve the Church....sigh...

 It never occurred to me that priests and nuns might not realize what Church teaching was... because most of them truly thought that  teachings had changed or  were in the process of changing in this 'new' Church. And this was the pervasive, prevailing attitude throughout the Church...The documents of Vatican II were supposed to be implemented and what they contained, and what this meant, was basically passed down even through the hierarchy by word or mouth, and the same way throughout  the leadership and the faithful ... There was much confusion for so long.   And most have never realized that  the  hermeneutic of rupture is NOT the proper  implementation.
 It never occurred to me that priests and nuns might not be right in what they believed the  Church to be and in what they believed the Church  teaches . It never occurred to me that priest and nuns themselves could be led astray. So it never occurred to me that they  could lead me astray.
 I KNOW that they do not think that what they are doing is wrong and they do believe themselves to be authentically Catholic.
 I lost contact through the years with the Sisters of Mercy as an order.... The keynote speech this year at the LCWR , was such a shock to me....It was Bolt of Lightning out of the Blue... I started looking at Mercy websites, leadership etc  and I was shocked and saddened .
I do not recognize this order which was once so dear to me.. I had all the official books of what the purpose and mission of the order was...I had the life of its foundress Catherin McCauley...I KNEW  this order and its mission welland I LOVED IT SO MUCH!  They have loved me and done so much for me. They educated me and taught me well throughout jr high and high school. They supported me through the most difficult times of my whole life...I could never repay what they have given me and done for me I visited the motherhouse in St Louis many times and stayed there a number of times throughout high school and college. It was my favorite place on earth. I LOVE these nuns so much!!!! They have been so good to me...when I lost my mama at the beginning of college, the motherhouse and their arms were ALWAYS open to me, their love and support was constant and available at any moment that I might need. Even  when I lost my daddy 18 years later and not seen any of them for many years, they came to support me. I could never repay what they have given me and done for me!
 But  I do not recognize  this order today, in what it seems  they have become...I do not know what they think it is to be Catholic anymore or even find it on their websites. Looking at most of these websites I do not see an authentically Catholic belief system   running throughout it.I  DO see a good , loving community  dedicated to service...but I cannot  seem to find  an authentically Catholic identity...I fear that they DO think they have a Catholic identity but it  a much different version of Catholic  that what  I believe Catholic to be  :( 
   I loved and love them still so much. I cannot believe what has happened...it is so painful to me..but it does help me understand a few things that have happened with a  very good  and very special friend, At the time I could not understand the incident and I found it to be completely mind boggling.Nor could I understand her reaction  when She told me that I had changed so much...I had no idea what she was talking about.  But now, I am beginning see why she said  said that and understand the incident itself much  better.
Part of the incident was  about abortion and I have always been against that...but for a time, I succumbed to the thinking that it was not my 'right' to force that 'opinion' on other people--the same sort of thinking that many 'Catholic' politicians espouse today. :( I finally woke up, thank God! It was at that time that I think the paths  began to diverge on our ways of thinking and our perceptions of the world. And it was me who left the path... And since that time, I have learned more and more about my Catholic faith and I love it sooo much. But if my thiking had not diverged I believe tht I would have a very differen view of whatit means to be a Catholic.... and I would be reading Fishwrap and all the blogs and media  for the  alternative  Catholic views...and I would admire and Love the  dissenting Jesuits . I would support  women's ordination, not be reading Church documents and I would probably truly see the hierarchy of the Church as an outdated patriarchal dinosaur. I would believe that I ws fighting to help save Christ;s Church if I was fighting to change all of this.... sigh...

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Nuns Gone Wild: A Trip Down Memory Lane


Those of you who wonder why the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the American Bishops initiated a reform of the leadership of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR), should take a little trip down memory lane.
Vast sectors of women religious in the USA have for decades been infested with a radical feminism so poisonous that many of them, especially in leadership, have even come to defend the killing of babies.
The problems in many communities of some are deeply rooted and, like all weeds, are hard to extirpate.
The following is a review of some key figures in this history of dissent and defiance.  Some of these nuns have faded from view and others are still quite visible.
These are, as it were, the “church Mothers” on which their alternative Magisterium of Nuns was founded.
They all have a lot to answer for.
When you hear some of the radical nuns and their liberal journalist buddies griping about oppression, feigning not to understand what “the Vatican” is doing to them, hiding being words like “freedom” and “respect”, lying about the facts, keep the following list in mind.  Remember that the CDF and USCCB project of reform has been long in coming.
Nuns Gone Wild: A Trip Down Memory Lane
Theresa Kane: as president of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) in 1979, she greeted Pope John Paul II at the National Shrine in Washington, D.C. In her address she urged him to open all ministries of Church life to women. Her remarks made headlines around the world. Shortly after her address, she stated that “as a result of the greeting, a few congregations withdrew from the conference. Through that experience LCWR became more public; the membership gained new responsibilities.”  Today she supports women in deciding to undergo fake ordinations of women in the Catholic Church as if they were real. “The Roman Catholic women priesthood is small, highly criticized, and not going away,” she went on. “No one controls our future but ourselves.”
Agnes Mary Mansour, now deceased, was a Catholic nun who in 1983 left her religious order so she could retain her position as the director of the Michigan Department of Social Services. The controversy involved her refusal to make a public statement against abortion. She thought that as long as abortion was legal and available to the wealthy, the procedure should be equally available to women who needed government assistance.
24 Nuns who signed A Catholic Statement on Pluralism and Abortion, alternatively referred to by its pull quote “A Diversity of Opinions Regarding Abortion Exists Among Committed Catholics” or simply “The New York Times ad”, a full-page advertisement placed on 7 October 1984 in The New York Times by Catholics for a Free Choice (CFFC): “Statements of recent Popes and of the Catholic hierarchy have condemned the direct termination of pre-natal life as morally wrong in all instances. There is a mistaken belief in American society that this is the only legitimate Catholic position.” Many signers put their names on the ad because they viewed it as a partial response to the highly publicized anti-abortion statements of Archbishop John J. Card. O’Connor of New York. His insistence that a Catholic could not in good conscience vote for a pro-choice candidate was clearly aimed at Geraldine Ferraro, the Democratic Vice-Presidential candidate, a Catholic, a member of O’Connor’s archdiocese, and a consistent pro-choice advocate.
Kathryn BissellMary BylesAnne CarrMary Louise DennyMargaret FarleyBarbara FerraroMaureen FiedlerJeanine GrammickKathleen HebbelerPatricia HusseyCaridad IndaPat KenoyerAgnes Mary Mansour (at the time an ex-nun)Roseanne MazzeoMargaret NultyMargaret O’NeillDonna QuinnEllen ShanahanMarilyn ThieRose Dominic TrapassoMargaret Ellen TraxlerMarjorie TuiteJudith VaughanAnn Patrick WareVirginia Williams
Barbara Ferraro and Patricia Hussey: in 1984, along with 22 other nuns, they co-signed an ad in The New York Times by Catholics for Free Choice challenging Catholic teaching on procured abortion. Both refused to recant their statements when ordered to do so by the Holy See and their religious order. They both signed a second pro-abortion statement, published in the National Catholic Reporter, and participated in a pro-abortion rally organized by the National Organization of Women (NOW) in Washington on 6 March 1986.  
Margaret Traxler: now deceased, was a supporter of activism among homosexual Catholics, who once carried a banner into the Vatican to protest the church’s stand on abortion. In 1982 the National Conference of Catholic Bishops endorsed a Constitutional amendment proposed by Republican Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah. It would have allowed state legislatures to restrict or ban abortions. In an appearance on the Phil Donahue show at that time, Traxler said, “I believe every human being has a free will, God respects our free will even though it is sometimes used against God’s will. I believe women must have the right to use their free will in making decisions about their own bodies.” She signed the New York Times ad in 1984 stating that abortion could sometimes be “a moral choice.” “I don’t think church leaders are living on the same planet. They are unrealistic and out of touch with the people,”. . . she said then. She was one of the first to call for women’s ordination in 1971.
Jeanine Gramick: co-foundress of the homosexual, lesbian activist organization New Ways Ministry. After a review of her public activities on behalf of the Church that concluded in a finding of grave doctrinal error, the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) declared in 1999 that she should no longer be engaged in pastoral work with homosexual persons. In 2000, her congregation, in an attempt to thwart further conflict with the Vatican, commanded her not to speak publicly about homosexuality. She responded by saying, “I choose not to collaborate in my own oppression by restricting a basic human right [to speak]. To me this is a matter of conscience.” In 2001, Gramick transferred to the Sisters of Loretto, another congregation of Catholic Sisters, one which supports her in her advocacy on behalf of homosexuals. 
Marjorie Tuite: now deceased, was among the key organizers of the first International Women’s Ordination Conference (WOC). Tuite was also one of the “Vatican 24”, religious sisters who had signed the Catholic Statement on Pluralism and Abortion published in the New York Times on 7 October 1984. Tuite appeared on The Phil Donahue Show on 28 January 1985 (along with fellow signers Patricia Hussey and Barbara Ferraro) to defend their refusal to recant their support of that statement. 
Margaret Farley: over the years, she has taken positions favorable to abortion, same-sex “marriage,” sterilization of women, divorce and the “ordination” of women to the priesthood. Farley, who taught Christian ethics at Yale Divinity School, is well known for her radical feminist ideas and open dissent from Church teaching. In 1982, when the Sisters of Mercy sent a letter to all their hospitals recommending that tubal ligations be performed in violation of Church teaching against sterilization, Pope John Paul II gave the Sisters an ultimatum, causing them to withdraw their letter. Farley justified their “capitulation” on the ground that “material cooperation in evil for the sake of a ‘proportionate good’” was morally permissible. In other words, she declared that obedience to the Pope was tantamount to cooperation in evil, and that the Sisters were justified in doing it only because their obedience prevented “greater harm, namely the loss of the institutions that expressed the Mercy ministry.” In her presidential address to the Catholic Theological Society of America in 2000 she attacked the Vatican for its “overwhelming preoccupation” with abortion, calling its defense of babies “scandalous” and asking for an end to its “opposition to abortion” until the “credibility gap regarding women and the church” has been closed. In her book Just Love she offers a full-throated defense of homosexual relationships, including a defense of their right to marry. She admits that the Church “officially” endorses the morality of “the past,” but rejoices that moral theologians like Charles Curran and Richard McCormick embrace “pluralism” on the issues of premarital sex and homosexual acts. She says that sex and gender are “unstable, debatable categories,” which feminists like her see as “socially constructed.” She has nothing but disdain for traditional morality, as when she remarks that we already know the “dangers” and “ineffectiveness of moralism” and of “narrowly construed moral systems.” 
Mary Ann Cunningham: wrote an “open letter to Catholic voters”  in 2006 as an alternative to the church hierarchy’s voter education efforts in Colorado and nationwide. “We encourage respect for the moral adulthood of women and will choose legislators who will recognize the right of women to make reproductive decisions and receive medical treatment according to the rights of privacy and conscience.” Cunningham said many Catholics disagree with the church’s opposition to legalized abortion for “compassionate, faithful reasons.” “I do value the voice of the church hierarchy,” Cunningham said. “But I don’t find anything in the Gospels about abortion or gay marriage.”
Louise Lears: banned from church ministries and from receiving the sacraments in 2008 by then-St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke for 1) the obstinate rejection, after written admonition, of the truth of the faith that it is impossible for a woman to receive ordination to the Sacred Priesthood (cann.750, §2; and 1371, 1º); 2) the public incitement of the faithful to animosity or hatred toward the Apostolic See or an Ordinary because of an act of ecclesiastical power or ministry (can. 1373); 3) the grave external violation of Divine or Canon Law, with the urgent need to prevent and repair the scandal involved (can. 1399); and 4) prohibited participation in sacred rites (can. 1365).
Donna Quinn an advocate for legalized abortion. As late as 2009 she was engaged in escorting women to abortion clinics in the Chicago area so they could abort their babies safe from pro-life protesters. She is now a coordinator of the radically liberal National Coalition of American Nuns (NCAN), which stands in opposition against the Catholic Church’s position on abortion, homosexuality, contraception, and the exclusively male priesthood. In a 2002 address to the Women’s Studies in Religion Program at Harvard Divinity School, Quinn described how she came to view the teachings of her Church as “immoral”: “I used to say: ‘This is my Church, and I will work to change it, because I love it,’” she said.  “Then later I said, ‘This church is immoral, and if I am to identify with it I’d better work to change it.’  More recently, I am saying, ‘All organized religions are immoral in their gender discriminations.’” Quinn called gender discrimination “the root cause of evil in the Church, and thus in the world,” and said she remained in the Dominican community simply for “the sisterhood.”
Margaret Mary McBride: an administrator and member of the ethics committee at St. Joseph’s Hospital and Medical Center, in Phoenix, Arizona, who incurred automatic excommunication following her sanctioning of an abortion at the hospital in November 2009. The controversy that ensued resulted in the diocesan bishop declaring that the hospital could no longer call itself Catholic.
Carol Keehan: as head of the Catholic Health Association, she sparred with the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops on the question of health care reform, which the bishops criticized for funding abortion. Some observers have noted the critical role that she played, along with a social justice lobby of sisters called Network, in the bill’s eventual passage. In his farewell address before resigning the presidency of the U.S. Bishops’ conference last year, Cardinal Francis George – who directly opposed the health care bill, for its abortion funding – spoke of unnamed groups he said wanted to “remake the Church according to their own designs or discredit her as a voice in … public discussions” such as the debate over abortion and health care reform. As for who truly “speaks for the Catholic Church,” the cardinal left no room for doubt: “The bishops in apostolic communion and in union with the successor of Peter, the Bishop of Rome, speak for the Church in matters of faith and in moral issues and the laws surrounding them.” In another matter, less than 24 hours after the bishop of Phoenix stripped St. Joseph’s Hospital of its Catholic affiliation for performing abortions, Keehan declared that “Catholic Healthcare West (to which St Joseph’s belongs) and its system hospitals are valued members of the Catholic Health Association.” Keehan also defended the decision of Sr. Margaret Mary McBride to authorize the abortion. “They had been confronted with a heartbreaking situation,” she stated. “They carefully evaluated the patient’s situation and correctly applied the Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services to it, saving the only life that was possible to save.” However, two obstetrician-gynecologists from the Diocese of Phoenix’s Medical Ethics Department said Keehan was misrepresenting both the facts of the St. Joseph’s Hospital case, and the ethical principles of Catholic health care.  “It goes back to the basic issue that you can never do an evil, to achieve a good,” said Dr. William Chavira. “The act is inherently evil.” Dr. Chavira is a practicing obstetrician and gynecologist who also serves on the Phoenix Diocese’s medical ethics committee.   





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120 Responses to Nuns Gone Wild: A Trip Down Memory Lane

  1. BaedaBenedictus says:


    Good summary of the MofN’s heresies of morals, Father. An equally long dossier could be compiled on their heresies of faith. Christology, sin, the Atonement, etc. They aren’t Catholic period, and many not even recognizably Christian as historically understood.
    Think of the damage done by Mary Daly types in Catholic universities and seminaries! Does “Sinsinawa” ring a bell?
  2. rtjl says:


    As the saying goes. “With friends like these, who needs enemies?”. In almost every case mentioned here, excommunication seems to be in order and entirely justifiable. These people are not Catholic. Why bother with the pretense?
  3. jflare says:


    Weeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllll…..
    Given the time-frame of some of these efforts, 1982-1986, I now better understand why we had very few in-depth discussions regarding sexuality in Catholic high school. ..And why such discussions tended to be fraught with “gender equality” and other issues.
    Maybe it’s as well I DIDN’T know about these things as a teen; knowing my temper, a few discussions might have been–not pretty.
    Curious: Did ANY of these women pay an ounce of attention to JP II’s Wednesday audiences regarding the Theology of the Body? Seems to me that many of the views expressed by these women would’ve been addressed, though not the way they would’ve wished.
  4. Scott W. says:


    I would like to nominate Sr. Helen Timothy for dishonorable mention. She ran the Loretto High School in Sacramento CA. There a student blew the whistle on a drama teacher who was moonlighting for Planned Parenthood. When it was obvious the administration was going to twiddle its thumbs, the student contacted the bishop who had to step in and order that the school fire her. Sr. Helen did it, but in retaliation expelled the student on some flimsy charges. Later the school enrollment bottomed out (gee, I wonder if the fact that they had a theology teacher proclaiming “the Christ and the Buddha have shown us the way” had anyting to do with it), they asked for donations to save the school, then sold the school without any diocesan oversight, and skeedaddle with the money into retirement. Last I heard, a lawsuit is pending. Read about it here: http://www.sacmag.com/Sacramento-Magazine/February-2010/The-Last-Days-of-Loretto/
  5. lizaanne says:


    Wow! This is like a Vortex episode! Good job Father – however sad it is that there is that much material out there to write such a post.
  6. Diane at Te Deum Laudamus says:


    To think that is only the tip of the iceberg. Those are just the most well known, national stories.
    I’ve known plenty of sound, non-habited sisters, whose orders belong to the LCWR who are sound, and the Assessment states it is not a judgment on individual sisters and the work they do that is in harmony with Church teaching.
    But, the example that I keep giving, if someone who spends 25 hours a day feeding the poor teaches others that there are four persons in the Trinity, we can’t seriously expect the Holy See to not correct the doctrinal error because of charitable works.
    Father Z – I had not seen this video yet, but it is a Notre Dame historian saying the “Vatican’s crackdown was inappropriate and humiliating”
  7. Diane at Te Deum Laudamus says:


    Oops – sorry about the redundancy there.
  8. Tricia says:


    A read a book re this subject: “Women of Rage” by Donna Steichen. [You may mean "Ungodly Rage".]
    Here is the link.
    It was in my library. It may be hard to get through before your head explodes; but I found it quite interesting and upsetting And this book was written in 1991!
  9. acardnal says:


    EXCELLENT summary! I will be using this elsewhere – giving due credit, of course.
    Sad thing is that these religious sisters have influenced many a parish priest down the wrong path over the decades ergo the parish school children and the lay Catholics in the pew suffered from poor catechesis.
  10. Peter in Canberra says:


    Unbelievable, simply unbelievable.
    The action in US will have ramifications around the world – see the support from Australian nuns for their recalcitrant US sisters in the combox on the Australian CathNews http://www.cathnews.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=31003
    What will unite them is not, sadly, faith in Christ.
  11. anilwang says:


    BaedaBenedictus, once a Catholic always a Catholic by virtue of their baptisms.
    It’s more accurate to say they are apostates, and as such they will be judged far more harshly, especially the ones in leadership positions and the ones who are responsible for leading one of the little ones astray (i.e. involved in education).
    Let us pray that the reform of the LCWR happens quickly and all repent for their own sakes.
  12. albizzi says:


    The Vatican has spent so much time without reacting that the fish’s head is already rotten.
    In a not so remote time no nun would have dared nor even imagined to show herself before the Pope in civil clothes like on the picture. Even the Pope himself doesn’t look that amazed.
    They began giving up their religious dress without shame, no wonder that they would give up their faith shortly after. Right now they are in the open rebellion’s stage. Next step: The schism.
  13. disco says:


    Fr. Z – you are just a black-hat roman-collar wearing meanie! Keep up the good work!
  14. Cheesesteak Expert says:


    Fr Z, you should be ashamed of yourself. Grandstanding like this is far beneath you. Big deal about your summary, it’s like kicking a dead horse or shooting fish in a barrel. The tough thing would be to identify some causes as to WHY these nuns acted the way they did. What was it about their formation that lead them to take up these positions? Their generation was formed during the same time as all the bishops and periti of Vatican II – care to dig deep and ask why that entire generation, male and female, went so easily off the deep end?????
  15. frjim4321 says:


    If but only for the sake of the argument some of these two dozen women are imperfect exemplars of religious life I would respond that I could easily cherry pick two dozen priests who have gone off the rails over the past forty years in rather embarrassing and scandalous ways and use that as an indictment of all priests over the past forty years. [This is misdirection. The post isn't about priests.] Clearly there are some that won’t be happy until all women religious are back in cloister wearing head-to-toe burka-like clothing surrendering all discretion over their life choices to the bishops. Doing non-threatening things like making soap. [That's intellectually dishonest and offensive.] It’s not likely to happen as far as I can see.
  16. TNCath says:


    Since when did Sister Jeanine Grammick start wearing a VEIL? Wow! Are these sisters who gave up the religious habit years ago going to start using the religious habit to support their causes? Talk about the Devil in disguise! Mercy!
  17. Scott W. says:


    @Cheesesteak: I’m not sure why this bothers you. The fact is that all around the news arena we encounter people trying to portray the LCWR as poor innocents who were minding their own business and suddenly got blindsided by the Vatican. It is good to have a short compendium of the history to refer to in order to refute such falsehoods. Perhaps you haven’t been around here for very long, but Fr. Z has frequently delved into the root causes as it were. So, I’m sure Fr. Z wouldn’t mind if you commented here on what those causes were as long as it wasn’t overly hostile.
  18. Scott W. says:


    I would respond that I could easily cherry pick two dozen priests who have gone off the rails over the past forty years in rather embarrassing and scandalous ways and use that as an indictment of all priests over the past forty years.
    Yes, but you shouldn’t because it would be tu quoque and changing the subject. Characterizing Fr. Z’s position as one where religious women should just make soap? That’s a new low for you frjim.
  19. TNCath says:


    Father Z., permit me to add at the beginning of your chronology the Grand Mother of all dissenting nuns, Mother (later Sister) Mary Luke Tobin, S.L., the Mother General of the Loretto Sisters and one of the first LCWR presidents, who was the first to advocate the abandonment of the religious habit; and Mother Humiliata, I.H.M. (later Sister, later Ms. Anita Caspary), the last Mother General of the Sisters of the Immaculate Heart of Mary of Los Angeles, who publicly defied Cardinal MacIntrye and the Holy See and led an exodus of 3/4 of her community from their vows.
    The list could go on and on: Sister Barbara Thomas, S.C.N., who led the Sisters of Charity of Nazareth astray in the early 1970′s as Superior General and later President of the LCWR; Sister Joan Chittster, O.S.B. and Sister Sandra Schneiders, I.H.M., who continue to this day their assault on the Church.
    [NUNS GONE WILD II?]
  20. AnAmericanMother says:


    . . . the usual apologies for the indefensible in 4, 3, 2, 1 . . . .
    (once again, patiently . . . .)
    frjim, that’s irrelevant here, but your comparison is worthless anyhow because these women are not acting as sisters but as leaders, spokes”persons”, and the public face and voice of their groups. In effect, they have set themselves up as bishop-wannabes.
    Now, if some priest somewhere had set himself up as an authority superior to the Magisterium, and ran around loudly proclaiming positions contrary to those of the bishops and the Church . . . .
  21. heway says:


    Thank you Father Jim. I won’t cast the first stone, as I believe some of these communities were at fault long before the 70′s. Having 3 women religious in the family and working for religious in hospitals for many years, I saw many an unhappy woman. The stigma of leaving the life was to great for some and they continued to try and live in a community not suited to them. This happened to women who have been declared saints.
    I also believe that many a man (priest) may have ‘lorded’ his gender over these women, in his male capacity as a leader…….lots of problems here. Pray rather than condem….
  22. Father Bartoloma says:


    Thanks, Father for this concise and useful “wikicrazia” of nuns. It’s smart to have some concrete examples at our fingertips when we have to respond to criticism of the Vatican’s (long overdue) admonitions of the LCWR.
  23. digdigby says:


    My ex wife was from a Catholic family. Her aunt was a cloistered nun who was shoved into the middle of the world by ‘the spirit of VII’. This is something she did not ‘sign on for’. No matter. For twenty years, in East St. Louis, she gave herself completely to help the most wretched in a world of appalling violence, drugs and moral decay. Totally burnt out and in a church grotesquely profaned by mincing, woman-hating heretic priests (whom she would mock deliciously) she drifted into channeling, New Age gibberish and Liberation Theology. She stayed in the church for there was no place left for her to go and she needed the health benefits of the order. May God remember all the good she things she did in faith. Many stumble in the dark, but woe to them

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And Just How Did These Good Sisters
GET to Where They Are  Now???

(These are GOOD and LOVING women some of whom  I knew or know, who taught me, who were good friends and significant others, who were a HUGE part of my life growing up and in early adulthood and who were so good to me when both my mama and the later my daddy died. They are a part of the tapestry of my life. They are a part of who I am and I LOVE Them!
I lost touch with most of them over the years but that changes nothing about who they are to me and what I wrote above...
but thankfully,  it does mean that I was not with them on THIS journey!  It DOES mean that I have a very hard time comprehending how they got to this point. Some of the things that I have learned has shocked and even, horrified me because I take it personally, and  because I simply do not understand and cannot comprehend the transformation)

What happened in between Vatican II and now
in their orders and especially in the LCWR that they could end up in THIS place?


I am doing some research to try to answer this question of what happened and this post is where I will  put stuff that I find that I think may help me answer this question. 
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Well, I have begun and...  there IS this:
Excerpts from:
The Transformation of American Catholic Sisters

http://books.google.com/books?id=88kOXNgVdQ0C&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=Sister+Barbara+Thomas,+S.C.N.,&source=bl&ots=-A4QuVo_Wo&sig=irsdslh7E2jhlUea-sVKgkgYymA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bXR0Uo7pKYbJsQS2rILgBQ&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Sister%20Barbara%20Thomas%2C%20S.C.N.%2C&f=false

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and this:
A report on the social, political, and spiritual changes for Catholic nuns in the U.S. since Vatican II
The Transformation of American Catholic Sisters
http://www.temple.edu/tempress/titles/814_reg_right.html#sthash.1zqwK74u.dpuf

These sisters do not see or understand that there is anything wrong with what they are doing or how they see themselves. This is the result of what they thought , and many of us thought that Vatican II was saying in the 70's. This is what they STILL think that Vatican II says and what it is all about...and it was the Church that started them down this path!
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These remembrances of Sr. Barbara Thomas, SCN, one of the early leaders of  the Post Vatican II sisters and of what is now the LCWR(I am not sure what the name was before that or when it changed), are 1 example of how the Sisters see themselves in relation to Vatican II and how they still see Vatican II. This is from an SCN
publication in 2010.

Sister Barbara was not only elected with the first group of Provincials; she was also the first SCN to assume the title of “president” in 1972. She held that position for two terms, 1972–1980. She also earned her Doctorate in Ministry from Aquinas Institute. “That’s the thing I marvel at,” says Celeste Reedy, SCN, a longtime friend of Sister Barbara. Sister Barbara’s time in leadership was during a period of great change — Vatican II. Sister Barbara travelled extensively throughout the Congregation, visiting with the Sisters — Vatican II booklet in hand — to explain what it all meant and to answer the many questions it brought about. She was so successful educating the Sisters on Vatican II that she was soon asked to help educate other communities as well. She conducted numerous workshops for Religious around the country. “She was fearless in her leadership during that time and in trying to get the Sisters to embrace what Vatican II was calling religious congregations to at that time,” recalls friend and caregiver Donna Kenney. Judy Raley, SCN, Provincial of the Western Province, admires Sister Barbara as a leader. “Barbara led the Congregation in the implementation of Vatican II and the renewal of religious life. She facilitated the change in the government structure from ‘Mother and the Council’ to the Executive Committee which included the Provincials, giving
a closer connection between Provincial and Congregational leadership. Barbara served as a member of the Constitutions Committee giving new expression to SCN life rooted in our history and tradition while guided by the call of Vatican II. The writing of the Constitutions was a participative process involving the Community as a whole. Barbara was influential in setting up the Renewal Team which travelled throughout the Congregation engaging the members in corporate reflection on the meaning of our lives as SCNs. Barbara was a risk-taker in the spirit of Catherine Spalding.” While serving as president of the Congregation, Sister Barbara was also elected president of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) in 1975. Sister Judy points out that, “Barbara called us to greater participation in Community and to ongoing conversion in living our lives as SCNs. The phrase she often repeated was that we are called to ongoing conversion in a community of mission. This phrase found its way into our Constitutions (Article 1). Her leadership abilities were recognized nationally and internationally in her election as president of LCWR.” At the 1975 National Assembly of LCWR, Sister Barbara shared: “During these years of renewal our response to these tensions and to the issues they reflect has been, in a sense, in piecemeal fashion. This is not peculiar to our history. As women, as women religious, our charism is to approach our
mission —to respond to the needs of the Church of the world — in an integrated way. Even though our experience of the Church during this era of change may not always be that of ‘the road not taken,’ we know it is consistent with the nature of the Church to approach issues in an integrated way. It seems then that fidelity on our part to the promises we have made, the integration of our gifts as women and the use of these gifts for the good of the Church, will not only provide opportunities for us to be a source of new life for the Church, but also to assist the Church in her effort to be faithful to her history... An integrated movement will place new demands on us. It will call for understanding, patience, and largeness of heart as we stand with the Church and share responsibility for the healing of the social injustices within and outside the Church. Our ability to move together in this way will speak to the Church and to society of our courage to choose ‘the road not taken.’ The very law of the Church will be free of the patterns of social injustice to the measure that we make a personal, communal and corporate response in this regard. Our sensitivity to the need for healing where the Church, its structures, its law, its very life are concerned, could be for us a vibrant source of healing and of increased life within the Conference and within our Congregations. This sensitivity could be for us the root of fidelity the light that will lead us to ‘the road not taken,’ ‘the one less travelled by’ — to the choice that will make ‘all the difference.’” Maggie Fisher, SCN, is thankful for the freedom and responsibility that Sister Barbara gave to the SCNs following Vatican II. “She really brought us into the contemporary world,” says Sister Maggie. While President of SCNs, she and the Executive Committee of the Congregation invited Sisters to participate in the “Justice ’75 Program” in which some SCNs travelled to India, Haiti, Appalachia, and other sites to experience firsthand the lifestyle of their inhabitants and the needs of these people. One of the more obvious changes after Vatican II was the option for women religious to wear habits. Sister Celeste recalls that there was a lot of division on the issue, but people were encouraged to move with the times. “She
emphasized that SCNs be not critical of one another for their clothing choice,” says Sister Celeste. Sister Maggie remembers her as being so caring about the poor and oppressed in the world, she would give away everything she had to those in need. In 1979, Sister Barbara was invited to the White House to attend a reception for Pope John Paul II. From the most underprivileged to the White House, “she was comfortable with people from all walks of life,” says Sister Celeste. “Barbara made friends easily with her warm, outgoing personality, she wanted the best for each person and had a way of encouraging us to use our gifts and to risk new ways of being in ministry. She had a keen, inquiring mind. She made others feel comfortable in her presence,” adds Sister Judy. At the end of her term as President of LCWR, Sister Barbara received the following message from Cardinal Pironio: “I have appreciated your ideals and your untiring effort in all capabilities.” Reflecting on her memories of Sister Barbara, Sister Judy shares, “I remember travelling to Rome with Sister Barbara and Emily Nabholz, SCN, to meet with members of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life concerning our Constitutions. We stopped in Paris to visit the Church where St. Vincent’s body is. As we placed the Constitutions on the casket and prayed, I had a keen sense of Barbara’s rootedness in the charism of charity exemplified by St. Vincent and Catherine Spalding. I experienced her deep faith that by the intercession of Vincent and Catherine all would be well as we went to the meeting in Rome.” Sister Judy also recalls that Sister Barbara invited others to collaborate with SCNs and played a pivotal role in expanding the Associate program. Sister Maggie is grateful to Sister Barbara who accepted her into the SCN Community following an appointment with her early one morning to discuss her transferring from another Congregation into the Community. “I saw the booklet Living with Christ and I knew that she’d been praying before I came in. She was praying to do the right thing, I’m perfectly sure about that.”

The above exerpt is from page 15 of the pdf found at:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scnfamily.org%2Fjourney%2Fassets%2Fjourney10vol02.pdf&ei=t4B0UpftM8XgsAT6_YGABA&usg=AFQjCNEobxqDiEINS0e3DijL8CDe7s_tsA&sig2=hH-Z2iBZ2n7S87sC8Oz_LQ&bvm=bv.55819444,d.cWc

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