Showing posts with label Vatican II. Show all posts
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Thursday, April 24, 2014

The Most Reverend Bishop Athanasius Schneider - "Vatican II Must be Clar...



The Most Reverend Bishop Athanasius Schneider - "Vatican II Must be Clarified" (June 27, 2013) 1080p

Published on Jul 12, 2013
During ChurchMilitant.TV's recent trip to Rome, Michael had the great honor of interviewing The Most Reverend Bishop Athanasius Schneider. His Excellency serves as the Auxiliary Bishop of Astana, Kazakhstan as well as the Titular Bishop of Celerina, Switzerland. He is also a member of the Canons Regular of the Holy Cross of Coimbra.

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Vatican II needs clarifying.

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Friday, March 28, 2014

Vatican Radio gives megaphone to dissident fringe group Future Church | Fr. Z's Blog

Vatican Radio gives megaphone to dissident fringe group Future Church | Fr. Z's Blog
Vatican Radio gives megaphone to dissident fringe group Future Church | Fr. Z's Blog


I am confused about something.
The website of Vatican Radio shows that they did a piece on Future Church.
Future Church?!?
HERE  Listen.


What is Future Church?  HERE
This is from their site’s sidebar:

Visit their ABOUT page HERE.  They want married clergy and priestesses.
An excerpt:
Advancing Women in Church Leadership
We promoted women’s leadership by providing practical resources for women and men who wish to implement the far-reaching recommendations of the 1996 Benchmarks projects published by the Leadership Council of Women Religious [What a surprise.] this resource educates about the inclusive practice of Jesus and St. Paul and advocates for increased leadership roles for women in the Church right now..The project packet Contains articles written by experts about women in the Bible and lectionary and feminist theology, as well as organizing tips and prayer and faith sharing resources. Also includes expanded materials about lay ecclesial ministers (80% of whom are women), parish life coordinators, lay preaching and women officeholders in the early church. [A few weird examples do not an argument make.]
Scores of Women in Church Leadership “anchors” have organized dialogues in various parts of the country as a result of this project. They have continued to keep the conversation about the roles of women in the church on the front burner, even as talk about the ordination of women has been officially hushed by the Vatican. [Then by all means, have them on Vatican Radio.]
Another screen shot from their “Initiatives” page:

The role of women in the Church, including “leadership roles” is a matter for open discussion.
However, a group that pushes for the ordination of women is a dissident fringe group.  Such a group ought to be excluded from dialogue until they give up their heretical position (cf Ordinatio sacerdotalis).
So… what’s up with Vatican Radio giving them airtime?


MY 2 RESPONSES TO THIS ARTICLE

  1. This is totally disgusting!
    Future Church supports Women’s Ordination, the LCWR and the reform of the Church in line with their Vatican II vision that misinterprets the Council with a complete hermeneutic of rupture using the ‘Spirit of Vatican II’ ideology.
    ! I believe that this IS the great apostasy …as we go forward, they may seem to win but we must not give up. We must not become discouraged and quit.
    We must remember our basic weapons;
    Prayer, Fasting, Penance… the Rosary…and TRUST in the promises of the Lord…
    I truly believe that this is what John Paul II warned us about. The ‘reform’ that these groups work for and the beliefs formed by this way of thinking IS the antiChurch , spreading the antiGospel , preaching and teaching an antiChrist….
    Lord have mercy on us and protect us and guide us!
    I truly hate seeing the fighting, arrogance and judgmental condemnations on many traditionalists blogs. They seem to have become their own magesteriums. Often, I can see little difference between them and Pharisees. Oftentimes it seem that many have lost sight of the difference between judging words, ideas or actions and judging a person….and it is hard for me to see any charity in what I am reading.They believe that they are fighting FOR the Church but as I see it, in reality, they are often fighting AGAINST Her.
    Thank You Fr, Z for your blog… and for your insights. You are one of the few blogs with traditional values and the beliefs that I hold dear that I can still read. I really appreciate that…and YOU!
    For most of us it is easy to see how the deceived ‘Spirit of Vatican II’ crowd is fighting against the Church. But they also truly believe that they are fighting FOR her. It is harder for many us to see it as fighting against the Church if it is from a traditionalist point of view.
    The deception is great in these times that we live! I believe that it is a grave mistake to think that we are immune to being deceived.. I pray every day for protection against deception and for guidance. Again, this is how I see it…
    The Church needs us all to fight FOR her!
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  3. Urs says:


    Yep! I knew it….It IS the purposeful hijacking of Pope Francis. I am not as nice as most people on the issues of the mistranslations at the Vatican. After the 4th or 5 th time….There is no benefit of the doubt to be had as far as I m concerned. It is purposeful at the Vatican to mistranslate his words into English. It does not matter what PopeFrancis actually says if it is different from what people are TOLD that he says…and everyone just believes the distortions that they are TOLD that he says! It seems that far too many people are sooo quick to believe the worst…. (and even to judge and condemn Pope Francis- on what they are TOLD that he has said)… or ,as in the case of the liberal antichurch, to believe the best, as in what is closer to what they WANT to hear him say !
    The Vatican’s English Translator Should be Fired!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohGRtkZgdXg

Monday, March 17, 2014

McInerny - What Went Wrong With Vatican II

McInerny - What Went Wrong With Vatican II

What Went Wrong with Vatican II:
The Catholic Crisis Explained
Ralph M. McInerny

Chapter One

The Forgotten Teachings of the Council
On October 11, 1962, Pope John XXIII opened the Second Vatican Council in St. Peter's Basilica with a speech full of hope and promise. Recalling the Church's previous councils, the Pope said that Vatican II was called to reaffirm the teaching role of the Church in the world.
In calling this vast assembly of bishops, the latest and humble successor to the Prince of the Apostles who is addressing you intends to assert once again the Church's Magisterium [teaching authority], which is unfailing and perdures until the end of time, in order that this Magisterium, taking into account the errors, the requirements, and the opportunities of our time, might he presented in exceptional form to all men throughout the world.15
The problem facing us, the Pope pointed out, is the same today as it has ever been: Men stand either with the Church or against Her; and rejection results in bitterness, confusion, and war. Councils testify to the union of Christ and His Church and promulgate a universal truth to guide individuals in their domestic and social lives.
Far from being motivated by foreboding and concern for the modern world, Pope John XXIII was full of optimism. Many had come to him lamenting the state of the world, seeing it in steep decline. We live, they implied, in the worst of times. Not so, said John XXIII:
We feel we must disagree with those prophets of gloom, who are always forecasting disaster, as though the end of the world was at hand.
In the present order (if things, Divine Providence is leading, us to a new order of human relations which, by men's own efforts and even beyond their very expectations, are directed toward the fulfillment of God's superior and inscrutable designs.16
John XXIII discerned even in troubling modem circumstances possibilities for the Church to fulfill Her mission of preaching the gospel of Christ more effectively. Throughout this opening address, he was filled with exuberant optimism.
And he was quite clear about what he wanted the council to accomplish: the defense and advancement of truth.
The greatest concern of the ecumenical council is this: that the sacred deposit of Christian doctrine should be guarded and taught more efficaciously.17
John XXIII said that in our day there is already sufficient clarity about the teaching of the Faith. The emphasis of the council should thus not be doctrinal but pastoral. It should consider how best to convey the truth of Christ to the modern world.
He said that errors are best dealt with in a gentler way than heretofore. The same charity should suffuse our dealing with our "separated brethren." Here the Pope strikes the note that will fuel the ecumenical movement among the churches.
The closing prayers of his address convey the simplicity and faith of John XXIII:
Almighty God! In Thee we place all our confidence, not trusting in our own strength. Look down benignly upon these pastors of Thy Church. May the light of Thy supernal grace aid us in taking decisions and in making laws. Graciously hear the prayers which we pour forth to Thee in unanimity of faith, of voice, and of mind.
0 Mary, Help of Christians, Help of Bishops, of whose love we have recently had particular proof in thy temple of Loreto, where we venerated the mystery of the Incarnation, dispose all things for a happy and propitious outcome and, with thy spouse, St. Joseph, the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, St. John the Baptist, and St. John the Evangelist, intercede for us to God.
To Jesus Christ, our most amiable Redeemer, immortal King of peoples and of times, be love, power, and glory forever and ever. Amen.18
Lively Debate Characterized the Sessions
The Second Vatican Council met in four sessions. The first session opened, with the papal address just recalled, on October 11, 1962, and closed on December 8 of the same year. Pope John XXIII, whose idea the council was, need on June 3, 1963. He had expressed the hope that, if he were not still alive when the council ended, he would watch its joyful conclusion from Heaven.
His successor, Paul VI, called for the second session to begin on September 29, 1963, and it ran until December 4, 1963. The third session was held from September 14 to November 21, 1.964. The fourth and final session ran from September 14 to December 8, 1965.
Anyone reading the exchanges between the bishops during the sessions of the council must be impressed by the high level of the discussion. For example, the discussion of the Declaration on Religious Liberty was feared by some to fly in the face of earlier Church teaching, obviously a serious reason for caution. Proponents, respecting this concern, were eager to allay it. Participants in the debate opposed one another against a background of a shared concern for the tradition of the Church. Some would, reduce this spirited and often profound exchange to a conflict between liberals and conservatives, but such a reduction misses the depth of the discussion.
Some interventions in the council are more impressive than others, of course, but what is lacking from these actual sessions is the kind of ideological dogfight reported at the time in periodicals and shortly thereafter in the multi-volume histories of the council.
Reading some of those accounts of the council sessions, especially those written at the time, is not an edifying experience. Even so relatively sober a book as Fr. Ralph Wiltgen's The Rhine Flows into the Tiber portrays the debates as no nobler than a playground quarrel. Perhaps the saddest description is Fr. Wiltgen's account of Alfredo Cardinal Ottaviani being silenced:
On October 30, the day after his seventy-second birthday, Cardinal Ottaviani addressed the council to protest against the drastic changes which were being suggested in the Mass. "Are we seeking to stir up wonder, or perhaps scandal, among the Christian people, by introducing changes in so venerable a rite, that has been approved for so many centuries and is now so familiar? The rite of Holy Mass should not be treated as if it were a piece of cloth to be refashioned according to the whim of each generation." Speaking without a text, because of his partial blindness, he exceeded the ten-minute time limit which all had been requested to observe. Cardinal Tisserant, Dean of the Council Presidents, showed his watch to Cardinal Alfrink, who was presiding that morning. When Cardinal Ottaviani reached fifteen minutes, Cardinal Alfrink rang the warning bell. But the speaker was so engrossed in his topic that he did not notice the bell, or purposely ignored it. At a signal from Cardinal Alfrink, a technician switched off the microphone. After confirming the fact by tapping the instrument, Cardinal Ottaviani stumbled back to his seat in humiliation. The most powerful cardinal in the Roman Curia had been silenced, and the Council Fathers clapped with glee.19
Looking back on it from a distance of thirty-five year reader is more likely to be astonished by the reported reaction of the council Fathers than he is likely to share in it. Fr. Wiltgen was writing in 1977, and his account of the sessions was generally praised for its objectivity, but he, too, operates with the simplistic notions of conservative and liberal.
Such accounts as Fr. Wiltgen's - and let me stress that his is as evenhanded as one is likely to find - seek and find a drama in the proceedings that doubtless characterized the politics outside the hall. There are good guys and bad guys, and in the end the good guys win.
But it is not in histories of the council, contemporary or otherwise, that the council itself should be sought. Nor are the records of the discussions between the bishops the final word. Where, then, is the council itself to be found?
Catholics Cannot Reject the Council
Sixteen official council documents emerged from sessions in which schemata were proposed, altered, replaced, argued, and ultimately voted on. Each of the conciliar documents can be parsed back into a written record of such debates and discussion, but there is no need to characterize such debates in terms of obscurantists and enlightened progressives - not even when, as in the case of the Declaration on Religious Liberty, the debate defines itself in terms of such opponents. For in the end, it is the final document that trumps all earlier arguments and discussion. Once voted on and promulgated by the Pope, a conciliar document is no longer the victory of one side or the triumph of a faction: it becomes part of the Magisterium of the Church.
There is little doubt that, in the minds of many observers, reporters, and even periti, a struggle was going on between the traditionalists and the innovators. Even if this mirrored a struggle among the Fathers of the council, when the dust settled, when the final vote was taken, when a document was approved and promulgated by the Pope, it was the product of the teaching Church. And in Her role as teacher, the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit. Whatever spirited battles took place in the course of the council, the only spirit that matters is the Holy Spirit, whose influence on the promulgated document is guaranteed.
Studying the record of discussions among the bishops, of drafts of documents, and the proposals for change can, of course, aid us in understanding the final approved results. But it is the final documents as approved by the bishops and promulgated by the Pope that contain the official teaching of the Catholic Church. And Catholics have a duty to accept the teaching of a council.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church spells out the infallibility of an ecumenical council:
"The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the Faith - he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to Faith or morals.... The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter's successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium," above all in an ecumenical council.20
Consequently, the teachings of the Second Vatican Council are the official teachings of the Church. That is why the more than thirty years that have passed since the close of the council are evaluated by the Church in the light of the council.
That is why Paul VI and John Paul II have regarded their papacies as dedicated to the implementation of what was decided during those fateful three years of the council.
That is why rejecting the council is simply not an option for Catholics.
And that is why Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre's schismatic movement involved an internal incoherence. He sought to appeal to earlier councils in order to discredit Vatican II. But that which guarantees the truth of the teaching of one council guarantees the truth of them all. Popes Paul VI and John Paul II exhibited a long patience with Archbishop Lefebvre. Eventually, he undertook to consecrate new bishops in defiance of the Vatican, and no more patience was possible. He was excommunicated. 21
What Vatican II Says About the Pope
The same long patience has been shown to dissenting theologians who have undertaken to appoint themselves the final arbiters of Catholic truth and to inform the faithful that they need not accept the teachings of the Holy Father.
Often, they justify this dissent by citing "the spirit of Vatican II," which one theologian explains as follows:
Vatican Council II was an example of democracy in action. Opinion had been widespread that, with the definition of papal infallibility, councils would no longer be needed or held. After Vatican I, it seemed the Pope would function as the Church's sole teacher. Vatican II, however, showed what could be accomplished in the Church when all the bishops worked together. There was significant input from theologians (some formerly silenced). Protestant observers made an important contribution.22
The spirit of Vatican II urges us to balance what the Magisterium says with other points of view throughout the Church. Magisterial teaching is referred to as the "official" teaching of the Church, as if there were another, rival teaching that could trump the Pope.
But what does Vatican II itself say about this? After speaking of the college of bishops and the collegiality that characterizes the episcopal office, Vatican 11 declares that not even bishops, acting apart from the Pope, have any authority in the Church:
The college or body of bishops has for all that no authority unless united with the Roman Pontiff, Peter's successor, as its head, whose primatial authority, let it be added, over all, whether pastors or faithful, remains in its integrity. For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as the Vicar of Christ, namely, and as pastor of the entire Church) has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.23
Obviously, if even bishops, singly or collectively, have no authority apart from the Pope, no other group in the Church has such authority. No other group has the role of accepting or rejecting papal teaching and advising the faithful that they may rightly reject papal teaching.
In a word, according to, Vatican II, the Pope is "the supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful,"24 the successor of St. Peter, the Vicar of Christ on earth. He is head of the college of bishops. He can himself, independent of the bishops, exercise the supreme Magisterium.
In light of this, there seems simply to be no way to read the teachings of Vatican II and find in them any basis for the postconciliar view promoted by some theologians that papal teaching can be legitimately rejected by Catholics.
Yet some theologians continue trying. They suggest that Catholics are bound only by Church teaching that is infallible by dint of being formally and solemnly defined. According to them, such instruments of the Magisterium as encyclicals should be treated with respect, but Catholics have the option of setting their teaching aside.
Catholics Must Submit to the Pope
Is there any support in Vatican II for such a conception? Is acceptance on the part of the faithful limited to solemnly defined teachings, clearly infallible for that reason? The Second Vatican Council also answers this question clearly and forcefully:
This loyal submission of the will and intellect must be given in a special way to the authentic teaching authority of the Roman Pontiff, even when he does not speak ex cathedra, in such wise, indeed, that his supreme teaching authority be acknowledged with respect, and that one sincerely adhere to the decisions made by him, conformably with his manifest mind and intention, which is made known principally either by the character of the documents in question, or by the frequency with which. a certain doctrine is proposed, or by the manner in which the doctrine is formulated.25
Unfortunately, some theologians, particularly moral theologians, for reasons we will examine in subsequent chapters, have simply rejected this clear teaching of Vatican II. They have come to see their role as one of criticizing, passing judgment on, and even dismissing magisterial teaching.
There is no surer protection against this attempted usurpation than the documents of Vatican II themselves and particularly the passages just quoted from the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, Lumen Gentium.26
There is, of course, something odd in the effort to quarrel with what are obviously teachings of the Church and therefore require religious assent from Catholics. It is almost as if the aim were to discover how little one need believe. But surely, as Vatican II urges, it should be the mark of Catholics that they take on the mind and heart of the Church and show gratitude for God's great gift of the Magisterium.
The calibration of Church teachings that is suggested by distinguishing between the ordinary and extraordinary Magisterium is an important one, but it does not justify any distinction between magisterial, papal teachings that need to be accepted by Catholics and those that do not.
Indeed, to advise Catholics to ignore clear magisterial teachings is to advise them to reject the clear teaching of Vatican II. How ironic that the council should be invoked as warrant for dissenting from the Magisterium when it is precisely the council that rules this out.
To accept Vatican II is to accept what the council says about the Magisterium and the Catholic's obligation to obey it.
As we will soon see, public and sustained rejection of the Magisterium and of this clear teaching of Vatican II - largely by dissenting theologians - has caused and sustained the crisis in the Church.

NOTES:
1-14 are found in the Introduction.
15 Floyd Anderson, ed., Council Daybook: Vatican II, Sessions 1 and 2, (Washington: National Catholic Welfare Conference, 1965), 25.
16 Ibid., 26.
17 Ibid.
18 Ibid., 29.
19 Ralph W. Wiltgen, The Rhine Flows into the Tiber (New York: Hawthorn Books, Inc., 1967), 28-29.
20 Catechism of the Catholic Church, no. 891.
21 See Kelly, The Battle for the American Church, 411-417.
22 Philip S. Kaufman, Why You Can Disagree and Remain a Faithful Catholic (New York: Crossroad, 1995), 153.
23 Lumen Gentium, no. 22.
24 Lumen Gentium, no. 25.
25 Ibid.
26 A 1998 apostolic letter of Pope John Paul II gave force of law to this requirement of Vatican II that theologians be faithful to the Magisterium. Called Ad Tuendam Fidem, the letter made deviation from such teachings as Vatican II a violation of canon law subject to punishments up to and including excommunication.


The above excerpt of pages 23-38 is taken with permission from: Ralph M. McInerny. What went wrong with VATICAN II.
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 "But it is the final documents as approved by the bishops and promulgated by the Pope that contain the official teaching of the Catholic Church. And Catholics have a duty to accept the teaching of a council."


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VATICAN II
O’Malley’s 
"What Happened at Vatican II"  accents that it was a multifaceted event with viewpoints, personalities, and interests in frequently tumultuous conflict, and it makes for a rollicking good story. The important thing, he believes, is to understand the “spirit” of the council. 
"Vatican II: Renewal Within Tradition"  , by way of sharpest contrast, consists of twenty-two essays on the documents approved by the council. Here the important thing is to understand what the council actually said. (Full disclosure: I have a minor essay in the book.)
 

Enter  Vatican II: Renewal Within Tradition  . The book shamelessly pulls rank on O’Malley by opening with a reflection by Pope Benedict XVI on the proper interpretation of the council. The question is one of hermeneutics, says the pope. There are, he suggests, two quite different ways of understanding the council: “On the one hand, there is
 an interpretation that I would call ‘a hermeneutic of discontinuity and rupture’; it has frequently availed itself of the sympathies of the mass media, and also one trend of modern theology. On the other, there is the ‘hermeneutic of reform,’ of renewal in the continuity of the one subject, the Church that the Lord has given us. She is a subject that increases in time and develops, yet always remains the same, the one subject of the journeying People of God.”


All that having been said, however, O’Malley’s book is much the better read. As Xavier Rynne and the editors of the  New Yorker  understood, personalities, politics, factional fights, and dark conspiracies make for high drama. Especially when combatants are cast as good liberals versus bad conservatives. More than forty years later, however, the hermeneutic of reform in continuity is prevailing, and serious readers who want to understand the significance of the council will be better served by Lamb and Levering.
He emphasizes that Vatican II eschewed the “power language” of earlier councils, with their juridical pronouncements and condemnations, preferring the “humility words” of shared responsibility in the government* of the Church. At the same time, O’Malley’s story is all about power struggles between entrenched Roman conservatism and the bishops who were more accurately reading the signs of the times.
          *governance is the authority of governing their            sections. It does NOT = the authority over Doctrine,            of Doctrine or the ability to change or make doctrine
O’Malley approvingly quotes the German Jesuit Karl Rahner, who said the first epoch was the brief period of Jewish Christianity; the second, including Hellenism and European Christianity, ran up to Vatican II; and third period, the post-council present, is the epoch of the world Church.

O’Malley neatly sums up the reading of Vatican II according to the hermeneutics of rupture:
It suggests, indeed, that at stake were almost two different visions of Catholicism: from commands to invitations, from laws to ideals, from definition to mystery, from threats to persuasion, from coercion to conscience, from monologue to dialogue, from ruling to serving, from withdrawn to integrated, from vertical to horizontal, from exclusion to inclusion, from hostility to friendship, from rivalry to partnership, from suspicion to trust, from static to ongoing, from passive acceptance to active engagement, from fault-finding to appreciation, from prescriptive to principled, from behavior modification to inner appropriation.
The modern world as portrayed by the council is one with which the Church should want to get in tune. There is merit in O’Malley’s linguistic analysis.
.  What Happened at Vatican II  is a 372-page brief for the party of novelty and discontinuity. Its author comes very close to saying explicitly what is frequently implied: that the innovationists practiced subterfuge, and they got away with it. Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and his Society of St. Pius X are right: The council was a radical break from tradition and proposed what is, in effect, a different Catholicism. The irony is in the agreement between Lefebvre and the liberal party of discontinuity. O’Malley and those of like mind might be described as the Lefebvrists of the left.
:o    :D    ;)

The final irony is that if, in the twenty-fifth century, the Second Vatican Council is remembered as a reform council that failed, it will be the result of the combined, if unintended, efforts of the likes of Marcel Lefebvre and John O’Malley in advancing the argument that the council was a radical break from the tradition that is Catholicism. I do not expect they will succeed.
it is not in histories of the council, contemporary or otherwise, that the council itself should be sought. Nor are the records of the discussions between the bishops the final word. Where, then, is the council itself to be found?
Catholics Cannot Reject the Council
Sixteen official council documents emerged from sessions
Catholics have a duty to accept the teaching of a council.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church spells out the infallibility of an ecumenical council:

"The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the Faith - he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to Faith or morals.... The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter's successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium," above all in an ecumenical council.20
Consequently, the teachings of the Second Vatican Council are the official teachings of the Church


The 'spirit of Vatican II'* urges us to balance what the Magisterium says with other points of view throughout the Church. Magisterial teaching is referred to as the "official" teaching of the Church, as if there were another, rival teaching that could trump the Pope.
     *'the spirit of Vatican II'is not Church teaching ;the Documents of Vatican II are!*
But what does Vatican II itself say about this? After speaking of the college of bishops and the collegiality that characterizes the episcopal office,

Vatican 11 declares that not even bishops, acting apart from the Pope, have any authority in the Church:

The college or body of bishops has for all that no authority unless united with the Roman Pontiff, Peter's successor, as its head, whose primatial authority, let it be added, over all, whether pastors or faithful, remains in its integrity. For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as the Vicar of Christ, namely, and as pastor of the entire Church) has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.23
                     (23 Lumen Gentium, no. 22.)

Obviously, if even bishops, singly or collectively, have no authority apart from the Pope, no other group in the Church has such authority. No other group has the role of accepting or rejecting papal teaching and advising the faithful that they may rightly reject papal teaching.
In a word, according to, Vatican II, the Pope is "the supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful,"24
                                     (24 Lumen Gentium, no. 25.)
the successor of St. Peter, the Vicar of Christ on earth. He is head of the college of bishops. He can himself, independent of the bishops, exercise the supreme Magisterium.

In light of this, there seems simply to be no way to read the teachings of Vatican II and find in them any basis for the postconciliar view promoted by some theologians that papal teaching can be legitimately rejected by Catholics.
Catholics Must Submit to the Pope
Is there any support in Vatican II for such a conception? Is acceptance on the part of the faithful limited to solemnly defined teachings, clearly infallible for that reason? The Second Vatican Council also answers this question clearly and forcefully:

This loyal submission of the will and intellect must be given in a special way to the authentic teaching authority of the Roman Pontiff, even when he does not speak ex cathedra, in such wise, indeed, that his supreme teaching authority be acknowledged with respect, and that one sincerely adhere to the decisions made by him, conformably with his manifest mind and intention, which is made known principally either by the character of the documents in question, or by the frequency with which. a certain doctrine is proposed, or by the manner in which the doctrine is formulated.25
Unfortunately, some theologians, particularly moral theologians, for reasons we will examine in subsequent chapters, have simply rejected this clear teaching of Vatican II. They have come to see their role as one of criticizing, passing judgment on, and even dismissing magisterial teaching.
There is no surer protection against this attempted usurpation than the documents of Vatican II themselves and particularly the passages just quoted from the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, Lumen Gentium.26


(26 A 1998 apostolic letter of Pope John Paul II gave force of law to this requirement of Vatican II that theologians be faithful to the Magisterium. Called Ad Tuendam Fidem, the letter made deviation from such teachings as Vatican II a violation of canon law subject to punishments up to and including excommunication. )


To accept Vatican II is to accept what the council says about the Magisterium and the Catholic's obligation to obey it.
As we will soon see, public and sustained rejection of the Magisterium and of this clear teaching of Vatican II - largely by dissenting theologians - has caused and sustained the crisis in the Church.
 

What Really Happened at Vatican II by Richard John Neuhaus | Articles | First Things

What Really Happened at Vatican II by Richard John Neuhaus | Articles | First Things

THIS ISA GREAT ARTICLE....I MISS YOU Father Neuhaus

What Happened at Vatican II

by John W. O’Malley

Harvard University Press, 372 pages, $29.95
Vatican II: Renewal Within Tradition

edited by Matthew Lamb and Matthew Levering

Oxford University Press, 462 pages, $29.95
When asked what he thought about the French Revolution, Zhou Enlai, China’s urbane premier under Chairman Mao, is reported to have replied, “It is too early to say.” Such reticence has been in short supply when it comes to explaining the significance of the Second Vatican Council. Yet hundreds of books and tens of thousands of articles have not yet arrived at a settled consensus. The two books under review nicely represent the depth and sharpness of disagreements.

The Catholic Church counts twenty-one ecumenical councils, beginning with the First Council of Nicea in 325. Shortly after he was elected pope in 2005, Benedict XVI reflected on the confusion that sometimes attends the aftermath of a council. He quotes that great doctor of the Church, Saint Basil, who compared the period after Nicea to a naval battle fought in the darkness of a great storm. Basil wrote: “The raucous shouting of those who through disagreement rise up against one another, the incomprehensible chatter, the confused din of uninterrupted clamoring, has now filled almost the whole of the Church, falsifying through excess or failure the right doctrine of the faith.” Those who have lived through the years since Vatican II will recognize the description. “The question arises,” says Benedict, “Why has the implementation of the council, in large parts of the Church, thus far been so difficult?” A very good question, that.

At the end of their introduction to Vatican II: Renewal Within Tradition , Lamb and Levering quote George Weigel: “No one knows whether, in the twenty-fifth century, Vatican II will be remembered as another Lateran V”a reforming council that failed”or another Trent”a reforming council that was so successful that it set the course of Catholic life for more than four hundred years.” Of course no one knows for sure. But Lateran V was small potatoes compared with Vatican II. Convened by Julius II in 1512 and concluded by Leo X in 1517, it was an off-again on-again gathering of mainly Italian bishops aimed against Louis XII of France, who had tried to convene an antipapal council at Pisa. In a parody of Lateran V, Erasmus put these words into the mouth of the dead Julius: “I told it what to say. We had two Masses to show that we were acting under Divine inspiration, and then there was a speech in honor of myself. At the next session I cursed the schismatic cardinals. At the third I laid France under an interdict. Then the Acts of the council were drafted into a bull and sent around Europe.” Papal historian Eamon Duffy says that Erasmus’ account “is a caricature, but not all that far wide of the mark.”

There would seem to be little chance of Vatican II being forgotten, even five hundred years from now. Unless, of course, the twentieth century is forgotten, an idea that some may think is not without its merits. It is commonly said, and with good reason, that the Second Vatican Council was the most important religious event of the twentieth century. If media coverage is a measure, it was second only to the war in Vietnam during the four council sessions from 1962 to 1965. It is also said to have been the largest deliberative meeting in history, with more than two thousand participating bishops from around the world, along with hundreds of theological experts ( periti ) and ecumenical observers who did much more than observe.

Four decades later, the arguments are still hot and heavy over what the council said and did. The two books under review represent the main lines of the argument. The very titles are revealing. O’Malley’s What Happened at Vatican II accents that it was a multifaceted event with viewpoints, personalities, and interests in frequently tumultuous conflict, and it makes for a rollicking good story. The important thing, he believes, is to understand the “spirit” of the council. Vatican II: Renewal Within Tradition , by way of sharpest contrast, consists of twenty-two essays on the documents approved by the council. Here the important thing is to understand what the council actually said. (Full disclosure: I have a minor essay in the book.)

The main story line of the council was established from the beginning by Xavier Rynne (the pseudonym of the late Fr. Francis X. Murphy) in a series of “Letters from Vatican City” published in the New Yorker . The council, according to Rynne, was an epic battle between stuck-in-the-chancel conservatives and enlightened liberals who were striving mightily to bring a tradition-bound Catholicism into the light of the modern world. In this telling of the story, the key to understanding the council is aggiornamento ”usually translated as updating . Rynne and the thousands of reporters who followed his lead left no doubt that the Second Vatican Council was a great liberal triumph.

O’Malley calls Rynne’s account “delicious” and “gossipy but engrossing,” yet he wants to rise above its strident partisanship. And so, for instance, he eschews references to “conservatives” and “liberals,” preferring to speak of the minority and the majority, while not disguising that he is rooting for the liberal majority. From beginning to end, says O’Malley, the great question was whether the council would “confirm the status quo or move notably beyond it.” He says his purpose is “to provide a sense of before and after.”

“Before and after””that gets to the heart of most of the disputes about the council. Up through the 1980s, self-identified liberals routinely spoke of the pre - Vatican II Church and the post - Vatican II Church , almost as though they were two churches, with the clear implication that a very large part of the preceding centuries had been consigned to the dustbin of history. To describe that depiction of the council, philosopher Robert Sokolowski employs a football metaphor: “The impression was given that the tradition of the Church was not a continuous handing on through the centuries of something received; it was more like a long pass from the apostolic age to the Second Vatican Council, with only distortions in between, whether Byzantine, medieval, or baroque.” That’s an exaggeration, of course, but an exaggeration in the service of an important part of the truth.

In the decades following the council, many liberals made no secret of their belief that aggiornamento was a mandate for radical change, even revolution. They excitedly hailed as renewal what others saw as destabilization and confusion. Some traditionalists farther to the right of center blamed the council itself, employing the logic of post hoc ergo propter hoc” after which, therefore because of which. Liberals, on the other hand, demanded an early convening of Vatican Council III in order to, as they said, complete the revolution. Given the changed climate in the Church after thirty years of the pontificates of John Paul the Great and Benedict XVI, it is not surprising that it has been a long time since we’ve heard progressives calling for Vatican III.

The confusions in the aftermath of Vatican II are beyond denying. O’Malley says he wants to treat the “before and after” of the council, but in fact he limits himself to the before and at the council. Slight attention is paid to the consequences of the changes that he celebrates. Theologians openly dissented from Church teaching and did so with impunity, indeed often being rewarded by the guild of academic theology for their putative courage. Tens of thousands of priests abandoned their ministries, convents were emptied as sisters embraced the vaunted freedoms of the secular world, Gregorian chant was replaced by Kumbaya, the number of seminarians preparing for priesthood plummeted, and not a few of the priests who remained decided on their own that celibacy is optional.

Not incidentally, a majority of Catholics stopped going to Mass every week and decided, or were given to understand by progressive priests, that moral truths taught from the beginning are, at most, advisory in nature. What happened after the council, if not because of the council, is a familiar and mainly depressing story, perhaps too familiar and too depressing in its telling. One wishes Fr. O’Malley had addressed the after in “before and after,” since there were also constructive changes usually ignored in conservative accounts.

A few years ago, Francis Cardinal George of Chicago declared, “Liberal Catholicism is an exhausted project.” There has been surprisingly little dissent from that judgment on the part of the aging members of the Boomer generation who still dare speak the name of their liberal love. They spent their lives pinning their hopes on “the next pope” or “the next council,” but now they seem resigned to the fact that it is not to be. A measure of bitterness is understandable as they contemplate the “reactionary” takeover by John Paul and Benedict.

Perhaps most galling is the spectacle of a younger generation of Catholics inspired by these supposed troglodytes to dream dreams of radical discipleship. As witness, among many other signs, the stunning success of World Youth Day, most recently in Sydney, Australia. The youth were supposed to belong to the progressives, who are now left wondering what went wrong with their children and grandchildren. Then there are the bishops once or twice or thrice in succession to the bishops of those heady days at the council. Whether by conviction or by an astute reading of “the signs of the times””a much quoted phrase from the council”they recognize the need for a re-stabilizing of the Church’s teaching and life. Some are reluctant to call this conservatism, preferring to speak of a “reform of the reform.”

Enter Vatican II: Renewal Within Tradition . The book shamelessly pulls rank on O’Malley by opening with a reflection by Pope Benedict XVI on the proper interpretation of the council. The question is one of hermeneutics, says the pope. There are, he suggests, two quite different ways of understanding the council: “On the one hand, there is
an interpretation that I would call ‘a hermeneutic of discontinuity and rupture’; it has frequently availed itself of the sympathies of the mass media, and also one trend of modern theology. On the other, there is the ‘hermeneutic of reform,’ of renewal in the continuity of the one subject, the Church that the Lord has given us. She is a subject that increases in time and develops, yet always remains the same, the one subject of the journeying People of God.”

The distinction between conservative and liberal does not quite catch the difference between a hermeneutic of reform and a hermeneutic of rupture. The teaching of the council as advanced by John Paul and Benedict is emphatically liberal in, for instance, its embrace of democracy and its call for a new way of engagement between faith and reason. A great difference between the Lamb and Levering hermeneutic and the O’Malley hermeneutic is that the former is primarily theological and attuned to what is believed to be divinely revealed truth as it has been handed on and its understanding faithfully developed over the centuries. The O’Malley interpretation is dominantly sociological, psychological, and linguistic, aimed at demonstrating how the council moved beyond “the status quo.” For instance, O’Malley rightly notes the council’s vigorous condemnation of anti-Semitism but fails to connect that with its theological treatment of the unique relationship in God’s universal plan of salvation between the Church and the people of Israel.

There are other differences of great consequence. Whether, with Lamb and Levering, one focuses on the texts of the council or, with O’Malley, on the spirit of the council, there are interesting parallels with American legal debates between proponents of “original meaning” and proponents of “the living Constitution.” O’Malley’s living council, so to speak, is wondrously malleable in response to the spirit of the times, or what he takes to be the spirit of the times. Moreover, O’Malley’s interpretation tends to reflect a particular moment in the progressive thought of Europe and America, while Lamb and Levering have in view a universal community through time with now more than 1.2 billion members, and with most of them in the Global South. Thus O’Malley’s account is preoccupied with somewhat parochial European and North American discontents over relationships of power within the Church, while Lamb and Levering keep in view the universal mission of the Church through the centuries.

All that having been said, however, O’Malley’s book is much the better read. As Xavier Rynne and the editors of the New Yorker understood, personalities, politics, factional fights, and dark conspiracies make for high drama. Especially when combatants are cast as good liberals versus bad conservatives. More than forty years later, however, the hermeneutic of reform in continuity is prevailing, and serious readers who want to understand the significance of the council will be better served by Lamb and Levering.

This is not to deny, however, that O’Malley’s account is instructive on several scores. In the long history of church councils, Vatican II was different. While there is continuity in teaching, something remarkable really did happen at the council. The liberal proponents of a hermeneutic of rupture are not making up their argument out of whole cloth. The very calling for a council by John XXIII struck many as strange and puzzling. Unlike the reasons for earlier councils, O’Malley notes, there was no obvious crisis troubling the Church. “In fact, except in those parts of the world where Christianity was undergoing overt persecution, mainly in countries under Communist domination, the Church in the decade and a half since the end of World War II projected an image of vigor and self-confidence.” It is no secret that some at higher levels of the Roman curia thought the pope was making a big mistake, and maybe was becoming just a little dotty.

Alfredo Cardinal Ottaviani was the perfect foil for the liberal interpretation of the council. His enthusiasm for the council was conspicuously contained. He was secretary of the Holy Office, later called the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. (Until Paul VI changed it, the pope was head of that supreme congregation, an arrangement that Benedict has de facto, if not de jure, restored.) The motto that Ottaviani chose for his coat of arms was Semper Idem ””always the same.” Like Rynne, O’Malley, and many others, Ottaviani recognized “the spirit” of the council and he didn’t like it one little bit.

As O’Malley tells it, Ottaviani and those of like mind represented a “long nineteenth century,” going back to Pius IX’s war against modernity and extending through a “reign of terror” during which Catholic thinkers trembled in fear of ecclesiastical censure for having a thought of their own. To be sure, O’Malley exaggerates, but even so orthodox a thinker as George Cardinal Pell of Australia acknowledges that something was very wrong. In the foreword to a recent book on the theology of Joseph Ratzinger, Pell writes: “Certainly most of the Scholastic manuals, written in Latin, which we studied in philosophy in the 1960s, were arid, out of date, impersonal, and mechanistic . . . . Ratzinger’s skepticism about the Thomism of the manuals was shared almost universally among the seminarians of the sixties.” That skepticism was no doubt shared by many, if not most, of the bishops who gathered for the first session of the council in 1962.

Soon the drafts for conciliar texts prepared by Ottaviani and his curial colleagues, which steadfastly adhered to the spirit of Semper Idem , were being sharply criticized, and then rejected one after another. By the second session, in 1963, O’Malley says, the assembled bishops were beginning to feel their oats, having gotten a taste of real “collegiality.” A central theme in his account is that the council witnessed a movement of authority from “the center to the periphery.” The center, of course, is the pope and the curia, with the periphery being the pastors of local churches, the bishops. He emphasizes that Vatican II eschewed the “power language” of earlier councils, with their juridical pronouncements and condemnations, preferring the “humility words” of shared responsibility in the government of the Church. At the same time, O’Malley’s story is all about power struggles between entrenched Roman conservatism and the bishops who were more accurately reading the signs of the times.

In this view, the conservatives were resisting the birth of nothing less than the third epoch of Christian history. O’Malley approvingly quotes the German Jesuit Karl Rahner, who said the first epoch was the brief period of Jewish Christianity; the second, including Hellenism and European Christianity, ran up to Vatican II; and third period, the post-council present, is the epoch of the world Church.

This is presentism on speed. It is also, and despite the global language, a very Eurocentric view of Christian history, ignoring the pre-Islamic Christianity of the Middle East and, along with it, Byzantium and most of the patristic tradition, which figures such as Henri de Lubac and Hans Urs von Balthasar were so mightily laboring to restore under the banner of ressourcement , or renewal. In What Happened at Vatican II , O’Malley acknowledges three dominant themes of the council” aggiornamento, ressourcement, and development of doctrine”but, in his telling, the latter two are always in the service of the first, with aggiornamento bearing a convenient resemblance to the dominant habits of thought in the Society of Jesus as embodied in institutions “in the Jesuit tradition” such as Georgetown University.

O’Malley neatly sums up the reading of Vatican II according to the hermeneutics of rupture:
It suggests, indeed, that at stake were almost two different visions of Catholicism: from commands to invitations, from laws to ideals, from definition to mystery, from threats to persuasion, from coercion to conscience, from monologue to dialogue, from ruling to serving, from withdrawn to integrated, from vertical to horizontal, from exclusion to inclusion, from hostility to friendship, from rivalry to partnership, from suspicion to trust, from static to ongoing, from passive acceptance to active engagement, from fault-finding to appreciation, from prescriptive to principled, from behavior modification to inner appropriation.
In almost all those pairings of different visions of Catholicism, who would not vote for the second? Clearly, the “post-Vatican II Church” wins hands down. O’Malley does not claim that the bishops in council actually voted to launch a new Catholicism. In this version of the spirit over the letter, what the council said is far less important than how it was said. The council was, he says, a “language-event.” The style is the substance is the spirit of the council. Eschewing scholastic language, “it thus moved from the dialectic of winning an argument to the dialogue of finding common ground.” In documents such as Gaudium et Spes , the council employed the genre that ancient Roman authors called ars laudandi , or the panegyric. “Panegyric,” O’Malley explains, “is the painting of an idealized portrait in order to excite admiration and appropriation.”

The modern world as portrayed by the council is one with which the Church should want to get in tune. There is merit in O’Malley’s linguistic analysis. It is striking, for instance, that, in the aftermath of the slaughters of world wars and while much of the world and of the Church was dominated by the evil empire of Soviet Communism, the council could speak in such serene terms of approbation about the modern circumstance. But it is quite another matter how or whether the language employed bears on the doctrine taught.

Some essays in the Lamb and Levering volume weigh in so heavily on the side of the hermeneutics of continuity that one might get the impression that not much happened at Vatican II. Obviously, that is not the case. After allowing that the liberal leaders at the council were sometimes elitist and manipulative, O’Malley gives this telling reflection on how the council is interpreted:
During the council, the media often pilloried “the conservatives” for obscurantism, intransigence for being out of touch, and even for dirty tricks. One thing can surely be said in their favor. They saw, or at least more straightforwardly named, the novel character and heavy consequences of some of the council’s decisions. The leaders of the majority, on the contrary, generally tried to minimize the novelty of some of their positions by insisting on their continuity with tradition. It is ironic that after Vatican II, conservative voices began insisting on the council’s continuity, whereas so-called liberals stressed its novelty.
There is indeed irony, but it is not the irony that O’Malley proposes. What Happened at Vatican II is a 372-page brief for the party of novelty and discontinuity. Its author comes very close to saying explicitly what is frequently implied: that the innovationists practiced subterfuge, and they got away with it. Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and his Society of St. Pius X are right: The council was a radical break from tradition and proposed what is, in effect, a different Catholicism. The irony is in the agreement between Lefebvre and the liberal party of discontinuity. O’Malley and those of like mind might be described as the Lefebvrists of the left.

It is almost half a century after the council. The pontificates of Paul VI, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI, along with the scholarly arguments represented by books such as Vatican II: Renewal Within Tradition , make it evident that the hermeneutics of continuity is prevailing, if it has not already definitively prevailed. Fr. O’Malley may suspect that is the case. His book has about it the feel of a last-ditch effort to defend the story line of the post-Vatican II Church vs. the pre-Vatican II Church that was popularized by Xavier Rynne all these many years ago. The final irony is that if, in the twenty-fifth century, the Second Vatican Council is remembered as a reform council that failed, it will be the result of the combined, if unintended, efforts of the likes of Marcel Lefebvre and John O’Malley in advancing the argument that the council was a radical break from the tradition that is Catholicism. I do not expect they will succeed.

 Richard John Neuhaus is editor in chief of First Things .

Tuesday, March 11, 2014

LCWR:How Did These Good Sisters GET to Where They Are Now???

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http://learningmycatholicfaith.blogspot.com/2013/10/omgomgomg-i-wanted-to-be-sister-of.html
ny comment fron the beginning of the article above

OMG!OMG!OMG!   I wanted to be a Sister of Mercy for more than a decade( I was taking care of my elderly father first, though.) Thank You, Lord, that I never entered because, 'but for the grace of God, there go I'
  I wish that I could say that I would not have been like them...but , alas, I cannot say that because in all honesty, I probably would have. :'(

  I was so grateful to be included amongst their friends when I was out of high school and through college and they were soooo good to me after my mama died.
I remember when Teresa Kane, one of 'our' sisters, a Sister of Mercy,  gave that speech about women's ordination to the  pope, JPII . 'We' were all so angry at what we saw as his condescending attitude and disrespectful treatment of her. 
  And, led by their example , I learned a disrespect for the pope, though at the time I did not see it as disrespect. I thought that it was 'allowed'. I did not see myself as 'dissenting' from Catholic teaching. I did NOT have a clue about true Catholic teaching on the Pope, and frankly neither did these nuns that I hung around. Basically, the only thing that you had to believe the Pope on were the stated dogmas of theChurch and you were accountable to the precepts of the Church....after that it becomes  more of a function of individual conscience.
 Even if I had known the proper teaching, it would not have mattered, because that was BEFORE Vatican II . Vatican II had changed all of that... and not because the Church was bad or wrong before Vatican II . But because God is sooo good and leads His Church as he promised. That Church was the Church of a different time serving the needs of a different era. But now, through this great gift of God, The Catholic Church had evolved into a much freer, more beautiful, loving and enlightened Church to serve the needs of this age. As for sin...what was sin? it was a nebulous concept... there were rights and wrongs.... I do know that if it was 'love' , it was good, okay, God is love... (and that included sex of any kind if it was because of love.... and it gets confusing here and  also becomes more of a function of individual conscience) . This is my interpretation of how it was....there did not seem to be much  in the way of definitive dogma in my experience excepts basics...I would have been scandalized if someone had sad its ok not to think communion is the Body and Blood of Christ....but I also would have known that I had no right to judge, that was between them and God.... I don't know what I thought the Church was...but I did think that I wanted to be a nun and serve the Church....sigh...

 It never occurred to me that priests and nuns might not realize what Church teaching was... because most of them truly thought that  teachings had changed or  were in the process of changing in this 'new' Church. And this was the pervasive, prevailing attitude throughout the Church...The documents of Vatican II were supposed to be implemented and what they contained, and what this meant, was basically passed down even through the hierarchy by word or mouth, and the same way throughout  the leadership and the faithful ... There was much confusion for so long.   And most have never realized that  the  hermeneutic of rupture is NOT the proper  implementation.
 It never occurred to me that priests and nuns might not be right in what they believed the  Church to be and in what they believed the Church  teaches . It never occurred to me that priest and nuns themselves could be led astray. So it never occurred to me that they  could lead me astray.
 I KNOW that they do not think that what they are doing is wrong and they do believe themselves to be authentically Catholic.
 I lost contact through the years with the Sisters of Mercy as an order.... The keynote speech this year at the LCWR , was such a shock to me....It was Bolt of Lightning out of the Blue... I started looking at Mercy websites, leadership etc  and I was shocked and saddened .
I do not recognize this order which was once so dear to me.. I had all the official books of what the purpose and mission of the order was...I had the life of its foundress Catherin McCauley...I KNEW  this order and its mission well and I LOVED IT SO MUCH!  They have loved me and done so much for me. They educated me and taught me well throughout jr high and high school. They supported me through the most difficult times of my whole life...I could never repay what they have given me and done for me. I visited the motherhouse in St Louis many times and stayed there a number of times throughout college. It was my favorite place on earth. I LOVE these nuns so much!!!! They have been so good to me...when I lost my mama at the beginning of college, the motherhouse and their arms were ALWAYS open to me, their love and support was constant and available at any moment that I might need. Even  when I lost my daddy 18 years later and not seen any of them for many years, they came to support me. I could never repay what they have given me and done for me!
 But  I do not recognize  this order today, in what it seems  to me that they have become...I do not know what they think it is to be Catholic anymore or even find it on their websites. Looking at most of their websites I do not see an authentically Catholic belief system   running throughout them. I  DO see a good , loving community  dedicated to service...but I cannot  seem to find  an authentically Catholic identity...I fear that they DO think they have a Catholic identity but it  a much different version of Catholic  than what  I believe Catholic to be  :(  It is a 'Catholic' identity that is not aligned with the magisterium and it has no allegiance to the Pope and the magisterium. Therefore it can support 'in love and with love' various parts of LGBT agenda and even abortion. Because of 'love', this brand of Catholic identity can dissent from Church teaching on contraception and sexual 'sins' and even on the concept of sin itself....and it can do it 'in good conscience'.
   I  have loved and love them still so much. I cannot believe what has happened...it is so painful to me..but it does help me understand a few things that have happened with a  very good  and very special friend- a 'significant other' in my life . At the time I could not understand what had happened in the first incident. An incident  that signaled a complete change in a lifelong relationship. I found it to be completely mind boggling. Nor could I understand her reaction  when she told me that I had changed so much...I had no idea what she was talking about.  But now, I am beginning see why she said that and I can  understand the whole situation  much  better. And now I know that she is right. I HAVE changed. 
Part of the story after the first incident was  about abortion. I have always been against that...but for a time, I succumbed to the thinking that it was not my 'right' to force that 'opinion' on other people--the same sort of thinking that many 'Catholic' politicians espouse today.  :(     I finally woke up, thank God! It was at that time that I think the paths  began to diverge on our ways of thinking and our perceptions of the world. And it WAS ME who left the path... And since that time, I have learned more and more about my Catholic faith and I love it sooo much. But if my thinking had not diverged I believe that I would have a very different  view of what it means to be  Catholic.... and I would be reading Fishwrap and all the blogs and media  for the  'alternative'  Catholic views...and I would admire and Love the  dissenting Jesuits . I would support  women's ordination,. I would not be reading Church documents and I would probably truly see the hierarchy of the Church as an outdated patriarchal dinosaur.And if I was fighting to change these things I would truly believe that I was fighting to help save Christ's Church .... sigh...

And Just How Did These Good Sisters
GET to Where They Are  Now???

(These are GOOD and LOVING women some of whom  I knew or know, who taught me, who were good friends and significant others, who were a HUGE part of my life growing up and in early adulthood and who were so good to me when both my mama and the later my daddy died. They are a part of the tapestry of my life. They are a part of who I am and I LOVE Them!
I lost touch with most of them over the years but that changes nothing about who they are to me and what I wrote above...
but thankfully,  it does mean that I was not with them on THIS journey!  It DOES mean that I have a very hard time comprehending how they got to this point. Some of the things that I have learned have shocked and even, horrified me because I take it personally, and  because I simply do not understand and cannot comprehend the transformation)

What happened in between Vatican II and now
in their orders and especially in the LCWR that they could end up in THIS place?


I am doing some research to try to answer this question of what happened and this post is where I will  put stuff that I find that I think may help me answer this question. 
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Well, I have begun and...  there IS this:
Excerpts from:
The Transformation of American Catholic Sisters

http://books.google.com/books?id=88kOXNgVdQ0C&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=Sister+Barbara+Thomas,+S.C.N.,&source=bl&ots=-A4QuVo_Wo&sig=irsdslh7E2jhlUea-sVKgkgYymA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bXR0Uo7pKYbJsQS2rILgBQ&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Sister%20Barbara%20Thomas%2C%20S.C.N.%2C&f=false

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and this:
A report on the social, political, and spiritual changes for Catholic nuns in the U.S. since Vatican II
The Transformation of American Catholic Sisters
http://www.temple.edu/tempress/titles/814_reg_right.html#sthash.1zqwK74u.dpuf

These sisters do not see or understand that there is anything wrong with what they are doing or how they see themselves. This is the result of what they thought , and many of us thought that Vatican II was saying in the 70's. This is what they STILL think that Vatican II says and what it is all about...and it was the Church that started them down this path!
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These remembrances of Sr. Barbara Thomas, SCN, one of the early leaders of  the Post Vatican II sisters and of what is now the LCWR(I am not sure what the name was before that or when it changed), are 1 example of how the Sisters see themselves in relation to Vatican II and how they still see Vatican II in this same way. And wherethey have 'evolved' through to today IS the proper implementation of Vatican II. It is the Institutional Church who  is resistant to this evolution. And they MUST remain in the Church and help it evolve into  what they see as God's visionThis is from an SCN
publication in 2010.

Sister Barbara was not only elected with the first group of Provincials; she was also the first SCN to assume the title of “president” in 1972. She held that position for two terms, 1972–1980. She also earned her Doctorate in Ministry from Aquinas Institute. “That’s the thing I marvel at,” says Celeste Reedy, SCN, a longtime friend of Sister Barbara. Sister Barbara’s time in leadership was during a period of great change — Vatican II. Sister Barbara travelled extensively throughout the Congregation, visiting with the Sisters — Vatican II booklet in hand — to explain what it all meant and to answer the many questions it brought about. She was so successful educating the Sisters on Vatican II that she was soon asked to help educate other communities as well. She conducted numerous workshops for Religious around the country. “She was fearless in her leadership during that time and in trying to get the Sisters to embrace what Vatican II was calling religious congregations to at that time,” recalls friend and caregiver Donna Kenney. Judy Raley, SCN, Provincial of the Western Province, admires Sister Barbara as a leader. “Barbara led the Congregation in the implementation of Vatican II and the renewal of religious life. She facilitated the change in the government structure from ‘Mother and the Council’ to the Executive Committee which included the Provincials, giving
a closer connection between Provincial and Congregational leadership. Barbara served as a member of the Constitutions Committee giving new expression to SCN life rooted in our history and tradition while guided by the call of Vatican II. The writing of the Constitutions was a participative process involving the Community as a whole. Barbara was influential in setting up the Renewal Team which travelled throughout the Congregation engaging the members in corporate reflection on the meaning of our lives as SCNs. Barbara was a risk-taker in the spirit of Catherine Spalding.” While serving as president of the Congregation, Sister Barbara was also elected president of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) in 1975. Sister Judy points out that, “Barbara called us to greater participation in Community and to ongoing conversion in living our lives as SCNs. The phrase she often repeated was that we are called to ongoing conversion in a community of mission. This phrase found its way into our Constitutions (Article 1). Her leadership abilities were recognized nationally and internationally in her election as president of LCWR.” At the 1975 National Assembly of LCWR, Sister Barbara shared: “During these years of renewal our response to these tensions and to the issues they reflect has been, in a sense, in piecemeal fashion. This is not peculiar to our history. As women, as women religious, our charism is to approach our
mission —to respond to the needs of the Church of the world — in an integrated way. Even though our experience of the Church during this era of change may not always be that of ‘the road not taken,’ we know it is consistent with the nature of the Church to approach issues in an integrated way. It seems then that fidelity on our part to the promises we have made, the integration of our gifts as women and the use of these gifts for the good of the Church, will not only provide opportunities for us to be a source of new life for the Church, but also to assist the Church in her effort to be faithful to her history... An integrated movement will place new demands on us. It will call for understanding, patience, and largeness of heart as we stand with the Church and share responsibility for the healing of the social injustices within and outside the Church. Our ability to move together in this way will speak to the Church and to society of our courage to choose ‘the road not taken.’ The very law of the Church will be free of the patterns of social injustice to the measure that we make a personal, communal and corporate response in this regard. Our sensitivity to the need for healing where the Church, its structures, its law, its very life are concerned, could be for us a vibrant source of healing and of increased life within the Conference and within our Congregations. This sensitivity could be for us the root of fidelity the light that will lead us to ‘the road not taken,’ ‘the one less travelled by’ — to the choice that will make ‘all the difference.’” Maggie Fisher, SCN, is thankful for the freedom and responsibility that Sister Barbara gave to the SCNs following Vatican II. “She really brought us into the contemporary world,” says Sister Maggie. While President of SCNs, she and the Executive Committee of the Congregation invited Sisters to participate in the “Justice ’75 Program” in which some SCNs travelled to India, Haiti, Appalachia, and other sites to experience firsthand the lifestyle of their inhabitants and the needs of these people. One of the more obvious changes after Vatican II was the option for women religious to wear habits. Sister Celeste recalls that there was a lot of division on the issue, but people were encouraged to move with the times. “She
emphasized that SCNs be not critical of one another for their clothing choice,” says Sister Celeste. Sister Maggie remembers her as being so caring about the poor and oppressed in the world, she would give away everything she had to those in need. In 1979, Sister Barbara was invited to the White House to attend a reception for Pope John Paul II. From the most underprivileged to the White House, “she was comfortable with people from all walks of life,” says Sister Celeste. “Barbara made friends easily with her warm, outgoing personality, she wanted the best for each person and had a way of encouraging us to use our gifts and to risk new ways of being in ministry. She had a keen, inquiring mind. She made others feel comfortable in her presence,” adds Sister Judy. At the end of her term as President of LCWR, Sister Barbara received the following message from Cardinal Pironio: “I have appreciated your ideals and your untiring effort in all capabilities.” Reflecting on her memories of Sister Barbara, Sister Judy shares, “I remember travelling to Rome with Sister Barbara and Emily Nabholz, SCN, to meet with members of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life concerning our Constitutions. We stopped in Paris to visit the Church where St. Vincent’s body is. As we placed the Constitutions on the casket and prayed, I had a keen sense of Barbara’s rootedness in the charism of charity exemplified by St. Vincent and Catherine Spalding. I experienced her deep faith that by the intercession of Vincent and Catherine all would be well as we went to the meeting in Rome.” Sister Judy also recalls that Sister Barbara invited others to collaborate with SCNs and played a pivotal role in expanding the Associate program. Sister Maggie is grateful to Sister Barbara who accepted her into the SCN Community following an appointment with her early one morning to discuss her transferring from another Congregation into the Community. “I saw the booklet Living with Christ and I knew that she’d been praying before I came in. She was praying to do the right thing, I’m perfectly sure about that.”

The above excerpt is from page 15 of the pdf found at:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scnfamily.org%2Fjourney%2Fassets%2Fjourney10vol02.pdf&ei=t4B0UpftM8XgsAT6_YGABA&usg=AFQjCNEobxqDiEINS0e3DijL8CDe7s_tsA&sig2=hH-Z2iBZ2n7S87sC8Oz_LQ&bvm=bv.55819444,d.cWc

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Wednesday, December 25, 2013

Vatican II: Inside the Council - Playlist by NETTVCATHOLIC,YouTube

Vatican II: Inside the Council - YouTube

Scroll to the bottom of the list for the beginning of this fantastic series by        NETTVCATHOLIC  


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