Vatican I says this See of St. Peter always remains unblemished by any error, in accordance with the divine promise of our Lord and Savior to the prince of his disciples: I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren [60].
7. This gift of truth and never-failing faith was therefore divinely conferred on Peter and his successors in this See so that they might discharge their exalted office for the salvation of all,
According to the teaching of the First Vatican Council and Catholic tradition, the conditions required for ex cathedra papal teaching are as follows:
1."the Roman Pontiff"
2."speaks ex cathedra" ("that is, when in the discharge of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, and by virtue of his supreme apostolic authority"....)
3."he defines"
4."that a doctrine concerning faith or morals"
5."must be held by the whole Church" (Pastor Aeternus, chap. 4)[14]
For a teaching by a pope or ecumenical council to be recognized as infallible, the teaching must be a decision of the supreme teaching authority of the Church (pope or the pope and the College of Bishops); it must concern a doctrine of faith or morals; it must bind the universal Church; and it must be proposed as something to be held firmly and immutably. The terminology of a definitive decree will usually make clear that this last condition is fulfilled, as through a formula such as "By the authority of Our Lord Jesus Christ and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by Our own authority, We declare, pronounce and define the doctrine . . . to be revealed by God and as such to be firmly and immutably held by all the faithful", or through an accompanying anathema stating that anyone who deliberately dissents is outside the Catholic Church.[15]
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SEDEVACANTIST, POPE FRANCIS DID NOT DO THIS!
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WHAT I HAVE LEARNED AND REA;IZE ABOUT SEDEVANCISTISM AND SEDEVACANTISTS AS A GROUP
The theological weakness of sedevacantism is an inadequate concept of the nature of the Church. Without realizing it, they believe in a Church which can fail -- and such a Church is not the Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ. The Church that He founded cannot fail, for it is indefectible (i.e. it cannot fail). It will continue to exist until the Second Coming as a visible, hierarchically governed body, teaching the truth and sanctifying its members with indubitably valid sacraments. To state that we have no pope is to claim that the Church is no longer visible and hierarchically governed, which, in effect, means that it has ceased to exist.
Sedevacantism is NOT a concept that exists in the Catholic Church OR the Catholic faith! The very definition of Sedevacantism is heretical. It is the work of Satan! Jesus gave the keys of the kingdom to Peter. He said he would be with the Church untill the end of time. Jesus prayed for Peter that Satan could not sift him like wheat.. Satan may get people in the CHURCH even cardinals but he CANNOT get Peter! To think that Satan can get or has gotten the See of Peter is a heresy. To put trust in apparitions over the Bible or teachings of the Church is a heresy! (The latter definition of Melanie's apparition at La Salette is NOT approved. The way they see the 3rd secret of Fatima is NOT approved!)
ABOUT SEDEVANCANTISTS AS A GROUP
Now I see why they are so negative, why they never build up, they only tear down, attacking people and the Church. Their whole premise is based on negative and based on attacking. They think they can judge as GOD judges,They have the arragance to think they are the remnant There is much self righteousness pride and hatred. All of these things are fruits of the father of lies not the fruits of the Holy Spirit. "By their actions , you shall know them" There is no humility or love seen in their words or actions. because whether they realize it or not , it is NOT God that they serve!
When it is finally recpgnized for what it is , it is not wise to dabble in the darkness of Satan . PRAY and RUN!
GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN!
Sedevacantist1
I no longer find you interesting..
I shall pray for you ..that one day you may see the error of your ways and return to the Church that Jesus founded to fight for HER and AGAINST Satan from inside . I DO believe that we are in the final confrontation and the battle is fearce.The wolves have gotten inside and they surround her . The gates of hell are trying with their all out attack I will NOT abandon her. To abandon her once you have known her is to serve Satan!
GOODBYE
7. This gift of truth and never-failing faith was therefore divinely conferred on Peter and his successors in this See so that they might discharge their exalted office for the salvation of all,
According to the teaching of the First Vatican Council and Catholic tradition, the conditions required for ex cathedra papal teaching are as follows:
1."the Roman Pontiff"
2."speaks ex cathedra" ("that is, when in the discharge of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, and by virtue of his supreme apostolic authority"....)
3."he defines"
4."that a doctrine concerning faith or morals"
5."must be held by the whole Church" (Pastor Aeternus, chap. 4)[14]
For a teaching by a pope or ecumenical council to be recognized as infallible, the teaching must be a decision of the supreme teaching authority of the Church (pope or the pope and the College of Bishops); it must concern a doctrine of faith or morals; it must bind the universal Church; and it must be proposed as something to be held firmly and immutably. The terminology of a definitive decree will usually make clear that this last condition is fulfilled, as through a formula such as "By the authority of Our Lord Jesus Christ and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by Our own authority, We declare, pronounce and define the doctrine . . . to be revealed by God and as such to be firmly and immutably held by all the faithful", or through an accompanying anathema stating that anyone who deliberately dissents is outside the Catholic Church.[15]
=======================================================
SEDEVACANTIST, POPE FRANCIS DID NOT DO THIS!
==========================================
WHAT I HAVE LEARNED AND REA;IZE ABOUT SEDEVANCISTISM AND SEDEVACANTISTS AS A GROUP
The theological weakness of sedevacantism is an inadequate concept of the nature of the Church. Without realizing it, they believe in a Church which can fail -- and such a Church is not the Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ. The Church that He founded cannot fail, for it is indefectible (i.e. it cannot fail). It will continue to exist until the Second Coming as a visible, hierarchically governed body, teaching the truth and sanctifying its members with indubitably valid sacraments. To state that we have no pope is to claim that the Church is no longer visible and hierarchically governed, which, in effect, means that it has ceased to exist.
Sedevacantism is NOT a concept that exists in the Catholic Church OR the Catholic faith! The very definition of Sedevacantism is heretical. It is the work of Satan! Jesus gave the keys of the kingdom to Peter. He said he would be with the Church untill the end of time. Jesus prayed for Peter that Satan could not sift him like wheat.. Satan may get people in the CHURCH even cardinals but he CANNOT get Peter! To think that Satan can get or has gotten the See of Peter is a heresy. To put trust in apparitions over the Bible or teachings of the Church is a heresy! (The latter definition of Melanie's apparition at La Salette is NOT approved. The way they see the 3rd secret of Fatima is NOT approved!)
ABOUT SEDEVANCANTISTS AS A GROUP
Now I see why they are so negative, why they never build up, they only tear down, attacking people and the Church. Their whole premise is based on negative and based on attacking. They think they can judge as GOD judges,They have the arragance to think they are the remnant There is much self righteousness pride and hatred. All of these things are fruits of the father of lies not the fruits of the Holy Spirit. "By their actions , you shall know them" There is no humility or love seen in their words or actions. because whether they realize it or not , it is NOT God that they serve!
When it is finally recpgnized for what it is , it is not wise to dabble in the darkness of Satan . PRAY and RUN!
GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN!
Sedevacantist1
I no longer find you interesting..
I shall pray for you ..that one day you may see the error of your ways and return to the Church that Jesus founded to fight for HER and AGAINST Satan from inside . I DO believe that we are in the final confrontation and the battle is fearce.The wolves have gotten inside and they surround her . The gates of hell are trying with their all out attack I will NOT abandon her. To abandon her once you have known her is to serve Satan!
GOODBYE
A Letter to Someone Considering the the Sedevacantist Position
All the links
http://www.churchmilitant.tv/cia/
and another one...
A Heretical Pope?
http://www.olrl.org/misc/sedevacant_md.shtml
You cannot be Catholic without the Church...Vatican I taught that the Church cannot err in teaching and the pope cannot err in INFALLIBE teaching...Jesus told Peter he had prayed for him that he would keep his faith when Satan asked to sift the apostles like wheat The devil can get to the cardinals...everyone actually EXCEPT Peter. He cannot get the chair of Peter...The pope is NOT impeccable...He is only Infallible when speaking excathedra which also defined in Vatican I.
There is a formula to do that and it is not done often. Pope Francisis not teaching all the things they say he is--that is not speaking infallibly...Popes can be wrong.
Heresy is not as easy as they say it is either...their is no concept for Sedevacantist in the Church and you cannot have a Visible Church without a Pope. Jesus said he would be with the CHURCH until the end of time.
The father of lies is second only to God in intelligence. He can deceive anyoneand he usually does it with lots of truth mixed in with lies and misdirection
There IS a great apostacy but it is within the Church...it is NOT the Church...It is the misinterpretations of Vatican II--
The "in the Spirit of Vatican II" stuff.
That 'spirit' is a Satanic one!
There is no "In the spirit of Vatican II" that is part of Church teaching...Only the documents which can only be rightly be interpreted WITH Tradition. Any interpretations outside of tradition are FALSE!
Please do not leave/abandon the Church that Jesus founded. She needs us! The wolves are within and without. Do not abandon Herto the wolves!The battle is fierce. We must be IN her to fight for her...And it probably IS the 'final'confrontation
You made a promise didn't you? Keep it..
The sedevacantists only tear down, and attack, call people names.They divide and confuse...Those are not the fruits or the actions or the fruits of God. They HATE the Church and claim that they love the faith They are self righteous, proud, mean. THey think the can judge people's souls and their final destination.Only God can do that! They do not have the authority to judge the Church to be in error. . I have heard all sorts of errors that they have judged and not just post Vatican II but pre Vatican II going back to Trent. Neither do they have the authority to judge popes to be heretics even IF they were but in the article you will see the true definition of a heretic.THey do not emulate Jesus. You never see humility or love in any of the comments THeir actions and words and fruits are not those of someone who worships Jesus. They sound much more like Satan whether they are speaking truth or mistakes. Whether they know it or not, they are doing Satan's work by constantly attacking the Church....Jesus left a Church to spread the faith...You cannot have the faith without the Church. The Church and the Pope are part of the faith.,
Peace,
and may God be with you in your quest for truth,
In Jesus and Mary,
and another one...
A Heretical Pope?
http://www.olrl.org/misc/sedevacant_md.shtml
You cannot be Catholic without the Church...Vatican I taught that the Church cannot err in teaching and the pope cannot err in INFALLIBE teaching...Jesus told Peter he had prayed for him that he would keep his faith when Satan asked to sift the apostles like wheat The devil can get to the cardinals...everyone actually EXCEPT Peter. He cannot get the chair of Peter...The pope is NOT impeccable...He is only Infallible when speaking excathedra which also defined in Vatican I.
There is a formula to do that and it is not done often. Pope Francisis not teaching all the things they say he is--that is not speaking infallibly...Popes can be wrong.
Heresy is not as easy as they say it is either...their is no concept for Sedevacantist in the Church and you cannot have a Visible Church without a Pope. Jesus said he would be with the CHURCH until the end of time.
The father of lies is second only to God in intelligence. He can deceive anyoneand he usually does it with lots of truth mixed in with lies and misdirection
There IS a great apostacy but it is within the Church...it is NOT the Church...It is the misinterpretations of Vatican II--
The "in the Spirit of Vatican II" stuff.
That 'spirit' is a Satanic one!
There is no "In the spirit of Vatican II" that is part of Church teaching...Only the documents which can only be rightly be interpreted WITH Tradition. Any interpretations outside of tradition are FALSE!
Please do not leave/abandon the Church that Jesus founded. She needs us! The wolves are within and without. Do not abandon Herto the wolves!The battle is fierce. We must be IN her to fight for her...And it probably IS the 'final'confrontation
You made a promise didn't you? Keep it..
The sedevacantists only tear down, and attack, call people names.They divide and confuse...Those are not the fruits or the actions or the fruits of God. They HATE the Church and claim that they love the faith They are self righteous, proud, mean. THey think the can judge people's souls and their final destination.Only God can do that! They do not have the authority to judge the Church to be in error. . I have heard all sorts of errors that they have judged and not just post Vatican II but pre Vatican II going back to Trent. Neither do they have the authority to judge popes to be heretics even IF they were but in the article you will see the true definition of a heretic.THey do not emulate Jesus. You never see humility or love in any of the comments THeir actions and words and fruits are not those of someone who worships Jesus. They sound much more like Satan whether they are speaking truth or mistakes. Whether they know it or not, they are doing Satan's work by constantly attacking the Church....Jesus left a Church to spread the faith...You cannot have the faith without the Church. The Church and the Pope are part of the faith.,
Peace,
and may God be with you in your quest for truth,
In Jesus and Mary,
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