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AfterSynod:My Thoughts
Bruno Forte was appointed by Pope Francis to be the special secretary . He is a theologian known for 'pushing the pastoral envelope while staying true to Church Doctrine.'---really, how is that possible? you are either true to the Doctrine or you aren't---How is there an envelope to push? Perhaps the question should be what does this author see as true to doctrine....I have sen many in the Church say something against church doctrine say that it is true and some who consider the 'Spirit of Vatican II' to be doctrine...and of course, it is NOT doctrine! I don't comprehend what this phrase means -
'pushing the pastoral envelope while staying true to Church Doctrine.'
Pope Francis has also repeatedly praised the dissident, Cardinal Kasper. His remarks during the Extraordinary Consistory in early 2014:
POPE FRANCIS
"Yesterday, before falling asleep, though not to fall asleep, I read, or re-read, Cardinal Kasper’s remarks. I would like to thank him, because I found a deep theology, and serene thoughts in theology. It is nice to read serene theology. It did me well and I had an idea, and excuse me if I embarrass Your Eminence, but the idea is: this is called doing theology while kneeling. Thank you. Thank you.”
Cardinals are precisely reflecting over these remarks. The focus is to find a balance between loyalty to the Gospel and the doctrine of mercy, when it comes to thorny issues, like Communion for divorced and remarried Catholics.
Excuse me but have we forgotten the definition of mercy in the catechism....God's mercy REQUIRES repentance.
From the Catechism:
From the Catechism:
1847 "God created us without us: but he did not will to save us without us."116 To receive his mercy, we must admit our faults. "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."117
And there is also this to consider:
"The language of the Church needs to be 'updated'. THAT is part of the new pastoral approach.( the one that is not changing doctrine but changing the pastoral approach in other words, a pastoral approach that may ignore the doctrine 'if need be'. At first it may be that way but experience tells us that gradually, this will simply mean that the doctrine is ignored... (Isn't that what the 'law of graduality', the new term introduced by the dissidents really mean? This term was rejected but I believe it is the ' theology' of this type of pastoral approach. It is not the last time we will see this phrase. I do not believe that this agenda being pushed at the synod expected to succeed....yet. We are being desensitized....perhaps for 'God's Surprise'....)
Verbal engineering used by many in the last century to change people's perception of reality...Socialists, Communists , Proponents of Abortion, Birth Control Population Control. the LGBT Agenda
Verbal engineering is one of the devils favorites tools.
Synod fathers on updating church language:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozIz2x_Ug9w
Synod fathers ask: Does the church need to watch its language?
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1404208.htm
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Well, I am not confused anymore. Pope Francis, loved by the liberals, praised by the media, the hope of the LGBT Agenda, has shown his hand as far as I am concerned.
I hope this will not be a long papacy and the precedent of retirement has been set.
Come Holy Spirit, convict Pope Francis in faithfulness and truth...Protect your Church, Convert the sinners, all of us and lead us into the Truth of Jesus Christ...., please
Some people see clarity in Pope Francis closing speech... I see doublespeak in his speeches actions and ambiguities....his homilies often leave me confused as to what he is really saying or what he means... I fear God's surprises may be Bergoglio's PLANNED surprises. "God is not afraid of new things!"--WHAT???!!!There are no new things to God...What are you saying. Pope Francis? Is that a preface to prepare us for the 'surprise', I mean, 'God's surprise' of your unfolding PLAN. Uh...you are Peter...you are not a politician OR A Jesuit still bound by your vow to your Jesuit Superior. That vow is not consistent with the papacy and it is automatically declared null and void for a Jesuit who becomes pope. (Supposedly the vows of obedience and poverty are lifted when a Jesuit enters the episcopacy according to their magazine, America. However, the 5th vow taken privately after final vows seems to contradict that the vow of obedience in those vows is lifted, Though it is not stated as severely as obedience, he does take a vow to listen to the Superior if somehow the Jesuit is made a bishop. )You are Christ's Vicar on Earth. You are the representative of Christ. You are NOT the representative of a 'black pope'! ( I had to throw that in because there have been so many conspiracy theories about the Black Pope. I never gave them ANY credence because they all sounded so crazy. But many conspiracy theories that I thought were crazy through the last decade have turned out to be true. I don't think this one is true. But, considering the times that we are living in, a few doubts began to plague me with the election of the first Jesuit pope.)
Final Vows for the Society of Jesus
" "I, [name] make my profession, and I promise to Almighty God, in the presence of the Virgin Mother, the whole heavenly court, and all those here present, and to you, Reverend Father [provincial's name], representing the Superior General of the Society of Jesus and his successors and holding the place of God, perpetual poverty, chastity and obedience; and, in conformity with it, special care for the instruction of children, according to the manner of living contained in the apostolic letters of the Society of Jesus and its Constitutions. I further promise a special obedience to the Sovereign Pontiff in regard to the missions according to the same apostolic letters and the Constitutions.
After "solemn" vows, the "fully professed" take five "simple" vows, privately--after Mass, in a side chapel or a sacristy. These vows show how well St. Ignatius understood human nature. First, we vow never to change anything in the Jesuit Constitutions about poverty--unless to make it "more strict." Second, a vow never to "strive or ambition" for any dignity in the church, like becoming a bishop. Third, never to "strive or ambition" for any high office in the Jesuits. Fourth, if we find out that someone is striving for these things, we are to "communicate his name" to the Society. (A friend calls this the vow to rat out someone, but it's another indication of how much Ignatius wanted to eliminate ambition, as far as possible, from the Jesuits.) Finally, we take a vow that, if we are somehow made bishop, we will still listen to the superior general." http://americamagazine.org/content/all-things/final-vows-whats
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Vatican Mystery: Where Did Gay Welcome Originate? - ABC News
Vatican Mystery: Where Did Gay Welcome Originate?
It's one of the great mysteries of the meeting on family life taking place behind closed doors at the Vatican this week: Just where did the authors of a draft report come up with such ground-breaking language that gays had gifts to offer the church and that even homosexual partnerships had merit?
Officially speaking, the draft report was a synthesis of the interventions from more than 200 bishops, a starting point for small working groups to propose amendments, elaborations, additions and subtractions to the drafting committee preparing a final report that will be released on Saturday.
But conservative cardinals have said their views were not reflected in the draft, they blasted the report as "unacceptable" and said it was in sore need of an overhaul.
U.S. Cardinal Timothy Dolan said his fellow American, hardline Cardinal Raymond Burke, reflected the view of "a good number of people in saying, boy, this document is a rough draft, does it ever need major revisions."
"I think he's right, he's picked up on the side that a lot of bishops, and I would include myself, feel that it needs some major reworking," Dolan told "CBS This Morning."
The most contentious passage is contained in three paragraphs of the 58-paragraph report under the heading "Welcoming homosexuals." It starts off by saying gays "have gifts and qualities to offer the Christian community."
"Are our communities capable of providing (a welcoming home,) accepting and valuing their sexual orientations without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?"
And it continues: "Without denying the moral problems connected to homosexual unions it has to be noted that there are cases in which mutual aid to the point of sacrifice constitutes a precious support in the life of the partners."
There was no reference to Catholic doctrine that gay sex is "intrinsically disordered," sinful or that homosexual orientation was "objectively disordered."
Hungarian Cardinal Peter Erdo, the main author of the report or "relator," defended the document Wednesday but acknowledged problems and said there was ample room for improvement.
He told Vatican Radio that the 16 officials who drafted it struggled to synthesize the positions of 30-40 bishops on any given topic and rushed to finish it on time. He acknowledged that there may have been instances when the report said "many" bishops had proposed a certain position when only "some" had.
But he said the final paper would provide "greater clarity, that doesn't leave any doubt in any chapter because the faithful need a clear voice, an encouragement and an instruction."
Erdo has already "outed" the official who wrote the section on gays, Monsignor Bruno Forte, appointed by Pope Francis as the special secretary to the synod. Forte is an Italian theologian known for pushing the pastoral envelope on dealing with people in "irregular" unions while staying true to Catholic doctrine.
Technically speaking, Forte and all the members of the drafting committee had access to far more material than the bishops themselves since they had the lengthy written speeches each synod "father" submitted prior to the meeting. Those written speeches factored into the draft report, even if the bishops didn't utter them during the four minutes each was allowed to speak.
In fact, the Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said he recalled only one speech out of about 265 about gays during the debate.
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