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"Pope" Francis and the Rosary | NOVUS ORDO WATCH

"Pope" Francis and the Rosary | NOVUS ORDO WATCH

From our "You Can't Make This Stuff Up" Department...
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Poor Jorge Bergoglio. Poor "Pope" Francis. Most of the world believes him to be the Pope of the Catholic Church, including the majority of those who consider themselves Catholic Traditionalists or Traditional Catholics. So some of these latter wanted to give their "Pope" a nice spiritual bouquet to show their love and loyalty, but they forgot that the recipient of this bouquet isn't a Catholic and so he doesn't know what to do with it. In an anecdote the "Holy Father" himself related, upon his election as Francis, he got a letter from one of those (his words) "restorationist groups" in Buenos Aires, telling him: "Your Holiness, we offer you this spiritual treasure: 3,525 rosaries."
For a Catholic, that is wonderful news. How many graces must have been unlocked through so many Rosaries prayed by faithful souls! What a blessing! 
That's how a Catholic reacts. Mr. Bergoglio reacted differently. Instead of being humbled at this kindness, gratefully receiving the bouquet, and perhaps offering some prayers in return, knowing what a wonderful gift it is to receive over 3,500 Rosaries, Francis says that this bouquet is evidence of a "Pelagian current" and it "concerned" him because "one feels as if one goes back 60 years! Before the Council... One feels in 1940.... Why don't they say, 'we pray for you, we ask...', but this thing of counting..." (Address to CLAR on June 6, 2013).
Yes, "this thing of counting".... It's actually how a Catholic spiritual bouquet works. In case you think Francis is sounding like a Protestant here, it's because he is one. In fact, this is the same Bergoglio who used to send people to a Lutheran layman to get an "exorcism". So what do you expect? (What? Michael Voris didn't cover this on The Vortex??)
It is candid moments like this one that reveal who a person really is or what he really thinks. No one thought this would be reported in the press, and CLAR (Confederación Latinoamericana y Caribeña de Religiosos y Religiosas) expressed its regret that it was published (see apology under "2nd Update" here). So this is an insightful glimpse into the real Francis, about whom we've been reporting since Day 1 - see our Francis page here. (In the meantime, we're still waiting for "Father Z" [Mr. John Zuhlsdorf] to provide some damage control he usually issues on his blog at this point in time.)
This embarrassing remark on the part of Mr. Bergoglio is yet another piece of evidence that the usual suspects in the semi-traditionalist enterprise (Ferrara, Vennari [in part], Salza, Gruner, Matt, Zuhlsdorf, Voris, etc.) are misleading their readers by their constant coloring and spinning of reality in these most serious matters. They do not go by principles and facts to arrive at a sound conclusion, but rather have a prepared, pre-held conclusion to which they then seek to make the evidence fit.
So, for example, on March 14, 2013, in a snippet titled "Pope Francis: The Marian Dimension", U.S.-based attorney and semi-traditionalist kingpin Christopher Ferrara attempted to persuade his readers that "Pope" Francis held a "Marian piety of the most traditional sort". What did Ferrara base this laughable claim on? The mere fact that Francis' first act the day after his election was to visit the Basilica of St. Mary Major in Rome, to pray there and to put a bouquet of flowers in front of the statue of the Blessed Mother. This act alone made Ferrara pen the following lines:
"That the new Pope's first devotional act was to visit the world's oldest Marian church in order to venerate a Marian icon of such august provenance evidences a Marian piety of the most traditional sort. In these early stages of the new pontificate, we cannot overlook the Marian dimension of the former Archbishop of Buenos Aires."
Ah, yes, you see, this act "evidences" not just a devotion to the Blessed Mother (which would be the most one could objectively conclude from it, but even that only by ignoring other evidence), but, even more so, "a Marian piety of the most traditional sort". This simply has nothing to do with reality. It is spin, nothing but spin, by a lawyer whose job it is to get people excited about the new "Pope" and "Fr." Gruner's Fatima apostolate. That's all. It is not based on a calm and objective examination of the relevant facts. (For a prior example of how Chris Ferrara spun reality on Ratzinger, only to be refuted afterwards by Ratzinger himself, see our essay No Friend of Fatima.)
Now, of course, Ferrara and his fellow-spinmeisters have egg on their face. The "Pope" with the "Marian piety of the most traditional sort" has revealed himself to be clueless about traditional Catholic devotions and customs (the counting of prayers for a spiritual bouquet) which to him are signs of a "Pelagian current" by people stuck in the 1940s who - horror of horrors! - "count" the Rosaries they pray for someone so they can tell him how many Rosaries are being offered for him. And this is the man "Fr." Gruner hopes is the "Pope who will consecrate Russia" (see this video beginning at the 10:53 mark). You just can't make this stuff up! 
Of course, all of this embarrassment for the semi-traditionalists could have been avoided, had they only reported on the real Bergoglio right from the start and allowed the evidence to rule their conclusions instead of the other way around. But Our Blessed Lord counseled us: "Let them alone: they are blind, and leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the pit" (Matthew 15:14). And this is exactly what is going on here. Compare the stories, links, and commentaries you get here at Novus Ordo Watch with the information you get from sites like the Fatima Center, The Remnant, ChurchMilitant.TV, etc., and ask yourself who is giving you the real scoop on what is going on with the Novus Ordo Church and its leaders.
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Pope to Latin American Religious: Full text
Update: Religious confirm they were the source

[First post: traditional groups; second post: "gay lobby" in the Curia]
[Original source: Reflexion y Liberacion; in case of dead link, copy in our repository]

On June 6, 2013, the Pope received the presiding board of the CLAR (the Latin American and Caribbean Confederation of Religious Men and Women - Confederación Latinoamericana y Caribeña de Religiosos y Religiosas). A transcript of the pope's words was made by those present, and given to the Chilean ultra-progressive page Reflexión y Liberación (Reflection and Liberation) for exclusive publication.

Whoever knows the Pope and who knew the words and demeanor of former Cardinal Bergoglio can have no doubts about the accuracy of the words below - in which different groups within the Church and the Curia are specifically mentioned. Words in (parentheses) are part of the original transcript to provide the context. Words in [square brackets] were added by us to clarify language difficulties and explain a few points. All ellipses are part of the original Spanish transcript. We hold no public opinion on any part of the text: we report, you decide.

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In an unprecedented gesture, Pope Francis received and held a dialogue of one hour with the board of the Confederación Latinoamericana y Caribeña de Religiosas y Religiosos (CLAR). They spoke in a circle, among equals, as it happened in the first communities founded by Jesus...

In an environment of trust and simplicity, Francis prompted the leaders of the CLAR to not be afraid of continuing to carrying on their mission to the boundaries and to the borders.... "Courage! Advance towards new horizons! Do not be afraid to run risks going to the poor, and to new emerging subjects in the continent," said Pope Bergoglio, who at the end of the meeting emphatically thanked religious life for being "sign and witness of the Gospel" in many places in Latin America and the Caribbean.

We offer our readers - exclusively - this short synthesis of this historical meeting held in the Holy See.

Audience with Pope Francis

CLAR, 06.06.13

"Open the doors... Open the doors!"

They will make mistakes, they will make a blunder [meter la pata], this will pass! Perhaps even a letter of the Congregation for the Doctrine (of the Faith) will arrive for you, telling you that you said such or such thing... But do not worry. Explain whatever you have to explain, but move forward... Open the doors, do something there where life calls for it. I would rather have a Church that makes mistakes for doing something than one that gets sick for being closed up...

(on his election) I did not lose my peace [of mind - no perdí la paz] at any moment, you know? And this is not from myself, I am of the kind that gets worried, that gets upset... But I did not lose my peace at any moment. This confirms to me that this comes from God...

(upon mentioning to him the hope that his gestures at this time have brought us, he makes reference to having stayed at Santa Marta) ....these gestures... they have not come from me. They have not occurred to me. It is not as if I had brought a plan, nor that I have made one myself once elected. I do it because I felt this was what the Lord wanted. But these gestures are not mine, there is Someone else here... this gives me confidence.

I came [to Rome] only with the necessary clothes, I washed them at night, and suddenly this... And I did not have any chance! In the London betting houses I was in 44th place, look at that, the one who bet on me won a lot, of course...! This does not come from me...

It is necessary to shake things up [flip things over, lit. dar vuelta (a) la tortilla]. It is not news that an old man dies of cold in Ottaviano [Rorate note: referring to the surroundings of via Ottaviano and the Ottaviano Rome Metro station, near the Vatican], or that there be so many children with no education, or hungry, I think of Argentina...On the other hand, the main stock exchanges go up or down 3 points, and this is a world event. One must shake things up! This cannot be. Computers are not made in the image and likeness of God; they are an instrument, yes, but nothing more. Money is not image and likeness of God. Only the person is image and likeness of God. It is necessary to flip it over. This is the gospel.

It is necessary to go to the causes, to the roots. Abortion is bad, but that is clear. But behind the approval of this law, what interests are behind it... they are at times the conditions posed by the great organizations to support with money, you know that? It is necessary to go to the causes, we cannot remain only in the symptoms. Do not be afraid to denounce... you will suffer, you will have problems, but do not be afraid to denounce, that is the prophecy of religious life...

I share with you two concerns. One is the Pelagian current that there is in the Church at this moment. There are some restorationist groups. I know some, it fell upon me to receive them in Buenos Aires. And one feels as if one goes back 60 years! Before the Council... One feels in 1940... An anecdote, just to illustrate this, it is not to laugh at it, I took it with respect, but it concerns me; when I was elected, I received a letter from one of these groups, and they said: "Your Holiness, we offer you this spiritual treasure: 3,525 rosaries." Why don't they say, 'we pray for you, we ask...', but this thing of counting... And these groups return to practices and to disciplines that I lived through - not you, because you are not old - to disciplines, to things that in that moment took place, but not now, they do not exist today...

The second [concern] is for a Gnostic current. Those Pantheisms... Both are elite currents, but this one is of a more educated elite... I heard of a superior general that prompted the sisters of her congregation to not pray in the morning, but to spiritually bathe in the cosmos, things like that... They concern me because they ignore the incarnation! And the Son of God became our flesh, the Word was made flesh, and in Latin America we have flesh abundantly [de tirar al techo]! What happens to the poor, their pains, this is our flesh...

The gospel is not the old rule, nor this Pantheism. If you look at the periphery; the destitute... the drug addicts! The traffic of people... This is the gospel. The poor are the gospel...

(upon mentioning the hardship of being in charge of the Roman Curia, and the commission of cardinals who will support him, etc.) And, yes... it is difficult. In the Curia, there are also holy people, really, there are holy people. But there also is a stream of corruption, there is that as well, it is true... The "gay lobby" is mentioned, and it is true, it is there... We need to see what we can do...

The reform of the Roman Curia is something that almost all Cardinals asked for in the Congregations preceding the Conclave. I also asked for it. I cannot promote the reform myself, these matters of administration... I am very disorganized, I have never been good at this. But the cardinals of the Commission will move it forward. There is Rodríguez Maradiaga, who is Latin American, who is in front of it, there is Errázuriz, they are very organized. The one from Munich is also very organized. They will move it forward.

Pray for me... that I make mistakes the least possible...

Aparecida is not over. [Rorate note: the reference is to the 5th General Conference of the Latin American Episcopate, held in the Marian shrine of Aparecida, Brazil, in 2007. See our lengthy coverage of the meeting in our Aparecida Notes series.] Aparecida is not simply a document. It was an event. Aparecida was a different thing. First, because there was no working draft. There were suggesions, but not a draft. And in the end, there was no document either, but on the eve of the final day, we had 2,300 "notes"... Aparecida moved towards the continental mission. There ends Aparecida, in the push towards mission.

What Aparecida had that was special was that it was not celebrated in a hotel, nor in a retreat house... it was celebrated in a Marian shrine. During the week, we celebrated the eucharist and there were some 250 people, because it was a regular workday. But on the weekends, it was full....! The people of God joined the Bishops, asking for the Holy Spirit...

I saw - I name him because I see him more standoffish, more like this, he is good, but he is like that - I saw the Prefect, João [Rorate note: João Braz de Aviz, then-Archbishop of Brasilia, now Cardinal-Prefect of Religious], who went out with his miter, and people got close to him, and they brought the children near, and he greeted them, and hugged them like this... This same bishop then voted. He could not have voted the same way as if he had been in a hotel!

We had the meeting rooms under the Shrine. So the background music were the chants, the celebrations in the Shrine... This made it very special.

There is something that concerns me, even though I do not know now to understand it. There are religious congregations, very, very tiny groups, a few persons, very old people... They have no vocations, what do I know, the Holy Spirit do not want them to go on, perhaps they have already fulfilled their mission in the Church, I do not know... But there they are, clinging to their buildings, clinging to money... I do not know why this happens, I do not know how to understand it. But I ask you to be concerned with these groups... The management of money... is something that needs to be reflected upon.

Enjoy this moment that we live in the Congregation for Consecrated Life... It is a moment of sunshine... Enjoy. The Prefect [Cardinal Aviz] is good. And the Secretary [Abp. Rodríguez Carballo, OFM], that was "lobbied" by you! No, really, being the president of USG [Union of Superiors General], the logical thing was that it would be him! It's better...

Place all your effort in the dialogue with the Bishops. With CELAM [Latin American Episcopal Conference], with the national conferences... I know there are some who have a different idea of communion, but... Talk, speak with them, tell them...

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Update (1300 GMT): Il Sismografo, that frequently links to us, asked the Vatican spokesman directly today about the content of the report. Fr. Lombardi's answer was the following: "The meeting of the Holy Father with the members of the Presidency of the CLAR was a meeting of a private nature. I do not have therefore any declarations to make on the contents of the conversation." Grazie, Il Sismografo! / Following up on Lombardi's refusal to comment, the large Spanish broadsheet El Mundo added this moments ago: "Despite this, several Vaticanists asked by elmundo.es consider that it is perfectly plausible the Francis has pronounced them [these words], considering that the Pontiff is capable of speaking without restraint on any matter, as delicate as it may be."

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2nd Update (2000 GMT): The Presidency of CLAR confirms the content of the report, even though they regret it was made public. They do not vouch for every detail, but they do not deny those, either:

"Bogota, Colombia, June 11, 2013

"The Presidency of CLAR deeply regrets the publication of a text referring to the conversation held with the Holy Father Francis in the course of a meeting on this past June 6. A conversation that took place prompted by questions made by those present to the Pope.

"In that occasion, no recording of the conversation was made, but soon afterwards a summary of the same was made based on the recollections of those present. [Rorate notes: at least one of those present had a visible writing pad in his hands; maybe another device was also used to capture the conversation.] This summary, that does not include the questions posed to the Holy Father, was destined to the personal memory of the participants, and not for any reason meant for publication, something for which, on the other hand, no authorization had been requested.

"It is clear that, on this basis, the singular expressions contained in the text cannot be attributed to the Holy Father with certainty, but only their general sense.

"The Presidency of CLAR deeply regrets what has happened and the confusion it may have caused.

"Sister Mercedes Leticia Casas Sánchez, FSpS - President
Fr. Gabriel Naranjo Salazar, CM, - General Secretary" (Source)
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