cpaulitz says:
Yet no one can still explain the flat-out heresies reportedly spoken by this apparition. She prayed the Pater with them, which she didn’t at Lourdes, for she has no trespasses to be forgiven; she said all Faiths are equal, etc. Does this sound like Our Lady? No, in fact, it’s blasphemy against her and, therefore, against God:
A) Fr. Tomislav Vlasic: “Do you feel the Virgin as she who gives graces (which is the traditional Catholic doctrine of Mary, the Mediatrix of All Graces) or as she who prays to God? (true also, but in conformity with some Protestant theology and not the fulness of Catholic teaching.) Vicka: “As she who prays to God.” (“Is the Virgin Mary Appearing at Medjugorje? by Fr. Rene Laurentin, 1984, p.135-136, 154)
B) The Virgin was accustomed to reciting the Our father with the seers. (But how could Our Lady say: “Forgive us our trespasses,” since she has none? At Lourdes, Our Lady was careful to keep her lips closed during all the Paters and Aves, reciting only the Gloria Patris.)
C) Mirjana: “I recently asked the Virgin this question (whether many souls are damned), and she told me that nowadays most souls go to Purgatory.” (book by Fr. Faricy, p. 64)
(…a comforting thought, perhaps, but opposite to the teaching of Fatima, St. Louis de Montfort, Pope Gregory the Great, St. Alphonsus, St. Anthony Claret, St. Augustine, etc., etc.)
D) Oct. 1, 1981: “All religions are equal before God,” says the Virgin. (Chronological Corpus of Medjugorje, p. 317)
E) The Virgin: “I do not dispose of all graces…Jesus prefers that you address your petitions directly to him, rather than through an intermediary.” (Chron. Corp. p.181, 277-278)
F) “In God there are no divisions or religions; it is you in the world who have created divisions.” (Faricy, p.51)
G) “God directs all denominations as a king directs his subjects, through the medium of his ministers” (“The Apparitions at Medjugorje,” by Fr. Svat Kraljevic, 1984, p.58)
H) “Each one’s religion must be respected, and you must preserve yours for yourselves and for your children.” (Kraljevic, p.68)
I) “The Virgin added: ‘It is you who are divided on this earth. The Muslims and the Orthodox, like the Catholics, are equal before my Son and before me, for you are all my children.” (Fr. Ljubic, p.71)
(…unbaptized Muslims equal to the baptized, who by this fact are the adopted children of God?)
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My thoughts are still in progress on this one....
ponderings about this....
which may not make much sense or may even sound completely crazy to most people... but....technological advances can have incredible, surprising and almost unimaginable results...most of mankind's history would view our world today as impossible, miraculous or sheer fantasy.
After much research , I am aware that technologies exist capable of producing ' signs and wonders' that the majority of people in the world would consider totally impossible and/or miraculous. Most would never dream such things could be accomplished with technology. They would assume such'signs and wonders' to be supernatural or preternatural.
People have assumed for ages that signs and wonders are either miraculous or deceptive trickery, supernatural(God) or preternatural.. I am getting off track I am not sure of the def of preternatural theologically but basically the question is:
Is it from God or not.... Even Is it from God? Is it from Satan?
.[If the definition of preternatural is creature made then it could be either angelic or demonic....}but we now live in an age where there is a third choice..technological...
Even if it is a hoax, it is not necessarily one perpetrated by the visionaries...
That being said...If this phenomena is manmade is the direct cause of this either through elaborate planning, brainwashing, virtual reality technologies, holograms(sun miracles, etc) which would meanthat one or some of the visionaries are not necessarily lying. They could actually be hearing,seeing, experiencing and the source could be technology...it sounds like a set up for discrediting the Catholic Faith/Church and helping to set the stage for a one world religion
A) Fr. Tomislav Vlasic: “Do you feel the Virgin as she who gives graces (which is the traditional Catholic doctrine of Mary, the Mediatrix of All Graces) or as she who prays to God? (true also, but in conformity with some Protestant theology and not the fulness of Catholic teaching.) Vicka: “As she who prays to God.” (“Is the Virgin Mary Appearing at Medjugorje? by Fr. Rene Laurentin, 1984, p.135-136, 154)
B) The Virgin was accustomed to reciting the Our father with the seers. (But how could Our Lady say: “Forgive us our trespasses,” since she has none? At Lourdes, Our Lady was careful to keep her lips closed during all the Paters and Aves, reciting only the Gloria Patris.)
C) Mirjana: “I recently asked the Virgin this question (whether many souls are damned), and she told me that nowadays most souls go to Purgatory.” (book by Fr. Faricy, p. 64)
(…a comforting thought, perhaps, but opposite to the teaching of Fatima, St. Louis de Montfort, Pope Gregory the Great, St. Alphonsus, St. Anthony Claret, St. Augustine, etc., etc.)
D) Oct. 1, 1981: “All religions are equal before God,” says the Virgin. (Chronological Corpus of Medjugorje, p. 317)
E) The Virgin: “I do not dispose of all graces…Jesus prefers that you address your petitions directly to him, rather than through an intermediary.” (Chron. Corp. p.181, 277-278)
F) “In God there are no divisions or religions; it is you in the world who have created divisions.” (Faricy, p.51)
G) “God directs all denominations as a king directs his subjects, through the medium of his ministers” (“The Apparitions at Medjugorje,” by Fr. Svat Kraljevic, 1984, p.58)
H) “Each one’s religion must be respected, and you must preserve yours for yourselves and for your children.” (Kraljevic, p.68)
I) “The Virgin added: ‘It is you who are divided on this earth. The Muslims and the Orthodox, like the Catholics, are equal before my Son and before me, for you are all my children.” (Fr. Ljubic, p.71)
(…unbaptized Muslims equal to the baptized, who by this fact are the adopted children of God?)
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My thoughts are still in progress on this one....
ponderings about this....
which may not make much sense or may even sound completely crazy to most people... but....technological advances can have incredible, surprising and almost unimaginable results...most of mankind's history would view our world today as impossible, miraculous or sheer fantasy.
After much research , I am aware that technologies exist capable of producing ' signs and wonders' that the majority of people in the world would consider totally impossible and/or miraculous. Most would never dream such things could be accomplished with technology. They would assume such'signs and wonders' to be supernatural or preternatural.
People have assumed for ages that signs and wonders are either miraculous or deceptive trickery, supernatural(God) or preternatural.. I am getting off track I am not sure of the def of preternatural theologically but basically the question is:
Is it from God or not.... Even Is it from God? Is it from Satan?
.[If the definition of preternatural is creature made then it could be either angelic or demonic....}but we now live in an age where there is a third choice..technological...
Even if it is a hoax, it is not necessarily one perpetrated by the visionaries...
That being said...If this phenomena is manmade is the direct cause of this either through elaborate planning, brainwashing, virtual reality technologies, holograms(sun miracles, etc) which would meanthat one or some of the visionaries are not necessarily lying. They could actually be hearing,seeing, experiencing and the source could be technology...it sounds like a set up for discrediting the Catholic Faith/Church and helping to set the stage for a one world religion
